“I know we’re killing you right now, but could you help us save a handful of our people, who we’d like to let live? Thanks.”
" We just want to evacuate them as soon as possible. Then we can kill you even more brutally"
More like “We know Hamas destroys you, we want to help you destroy Hams and also help us to find the hostages”
Yeah, how dare Hamas destroy Palestinians? Quite clearly, Israel regards that as their job!
Gaza is plagued by poverty, but Hamas has no shortage of cash. Where does it come from?
Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099
Hamas has no intention to make the Palestinians to prosper, they only want to destroy Israel and undo the what so called “Nakba”, per their 2017 Hamas charter:
Yes, and?
That doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s clear intent is not to surgically root out Hamas, but to indiscriminately bomb Gazans in the name of Lebensraum.
Hamas being a bunch of terrorist shitheads doesn’t absolve Israel.
You know how some days you come back home from a long hard day of work and you don’t want to do anything cause you’re tired so you order delivery. Yeah, imagine having little food, little water, being bombed constantly, being forced to move constantly, having the areas you move to be bombed, fearing for your life constantly and to top it all off the force that is doing this ask you to start a manhunt for some people. This is a sick joke.
I’m sure that will be to priority instead of trying to save their own lives. /s
Shouldn’t they have done this like a month or two ago?
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Israeli forces have dropped leaflets in Gaza asking residents for help finding hostages taken by Hamas on October 7, as bombardment of the besieged strip continues.
The leaflets dropped in Rafah, in the south of the Gaza strip, on Saturday featured photos of 33 hostages with their names written in Arabic.
“They are asking people’s help because they are unable to get to their hostages because of the resistance,” Abu Ali, a north Gaza resident, told Reuters.
Meanwhile, more than 25,000 Palestinians have been killed since Israel began its aerial bombardment campaign and ground invasion, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its death toll but says around two-thirds of those killed were women and children, which is supported by United Nations estimates.
Several families camped outside one of Netanyahu’s residences on Friday night to protest what they described as government inaction to free their captured relatives.
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Seems pretty sensible. Hamas dismantled and hostages home is Israel’s goal so getting them back would pretty much end the war at this point.
As long as this war doesn’t end, more casualties from both sides occur.
can we really trust hamass death toll of civilians?
Meanwhile, more than 25,000 Palestinians have been killed since Israel began its aerial bombardment campaign and ground invasion, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its death toll but says around two-thirds of those killed were women and children, which is supported by United Nations estimates.
which is supported by United Nations estimates.
The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its death toll
So this is not a reliable source.
Their numbers have usually aligned pretty well with NGOs estimations and are generally accepted as more or less trustworthy.
For total count maybe, but they have never made a distinction between their own soldiers and civilians. They want the 25k number misinterpreted as a civilian death count, and have largely succeeded.
Most of the death toll is women and children (7k and 10k, respectively). Even if you assume all men killed are Hamas fighters, which is not true, that is very high when compared to the attack which triggered the war.
I agree the civilian death toll is outsized, but just to play Devil’s advocate here: Hamas is the group putting out the women and children numbers, and given they don’t make a civilian/soldier distinction they almost certainly are including all soldiers under 18 in the “children” numbers. They want you to picture 10k murdered 6-year-olds, but we don’t actually have a break down by age or child-soldier status. Hopefully we can get some visibility there soon.
They’re not just putting out numbers, they’re putting out identifications too. Unless they’re falsely claiming identified women and children are dead, they can’t really manipulate the numbers.
Also, as another counter point, the numbers are just the people they’ve identified. Thousands more are missing and presumed buried under the rubble, likely dead or dying. The death toll is necessarily an under-count, and might be closer to 30,000 rather than 25,000. Also? There’s around 10 children getting limbs amputated every day, as well as dozens more being severely lacerated and burned. Daily. The death toll isn’t the whole story, but there’s absolutely no way that you can spin this as Hamas just using the fog of war to create confusion.
Not disputing any of that except for your conclusion. Hamas lumping their military losses in with civilians is literally using the fog of war to create confusion.
The UN has been very clear about the rights of the child, and child soldiers are universally classified as victims regardless of whether they are armed or affiliated with a militant group. Israel isn’t actually allowed to carpet bomb child soldiers under international law.
Stop trying to frame this as the health administration trying to create confusion. Children are classified as civilians, period.
Also, wanna know something extremely fucked up? Half of Gaza’s population is under 18 and 70% of the population are under 30. The fact that Hamas uses child soldiers is shaped by the fact that Israel created conditions where boys can’t expect to live long enough to even become men.
And now they’re just killing the boys.
There is no need to “play devil’s advocate” - if you believe something, argue for it. If you don’t believe something but think I’m missing something, you can point it out and make a case for why it’s important without being confusing about what you actually believe.
All evidence I have seen is that Hamas does not systematically use child soldiers. We can see the indiscriminate tactics of the IDF; we can put that together with the high death toll to make a reasonable conclusion that vast numbers of civilians have been killed. You’re trying to cast doubt on this idea but the amount of doubt is akin to flicking water from your fingers onto a housefire.
The average age in Gaza is like 17. Do you truly believe Hamas is out checking birth certificates? Statistically, half their forces are minors. Combined with estimates of Hamas military losses, that might make fully half of the 10k dead children Hamas child soldiers. While still horrifying, that meaningfully changes how the reported casualty counts should be interpreted. My point is, and has always been, that interpreting casualty numbers that a militant group releases with clear propaganda intent in a light most favorable to them is at best stupid and at worst willfully ignorant.
You say this:
interpreting casualty numbers that a militant group releases with clear propaganda intent in a light most favorable to them…
but just said this:
Statistically, half their forces are minors.
Pull the other one. If all you wanted was for people not to interpret casualty numbers “in a light most favourable to Hamas” you’d be acknowledging how high the death toll is while making your point instead of trying to distract from it.
Israel certainly doesn’t make that distinction when they indiscriminately bomb them.
Whataboutism aside, Israel estimates 8k dead Hamas soldiers, so they literally do make a distinction.
they have never made a distinction between their own soldiers and civilians.
I don’t see why you think that’s a problem - Israel has certainly never made a distinction between Hamas soldiers and Palestinian civilians when they bomb them or slaughter them in the street or fire at them when aid is being given out.
Oh is Israel reporting 25k dead Hamas soldiers then?
I welcome you to read Hamas 2017 charter and let me know whether you can trust this organization in any way:
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20240112193141/https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf
The first casualty of war is truth. We can trust Hamas as much or more than we can trust Israel. I’m not an expert, but I’d imagine we could find 100 instances of misinformation from Israel for every 1 from Hamas just from how much each group puts out.
This is a joke right?
I’d put Hamas’ word above Israel’s these days, barely but above.
We’ve all seen what Israel is doing, yet they deny it to our faces.
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