Still wouldn’t choose him to represent my country…embarassing to be Dutch.
Atleast Dutch people know they can rape kids and be an Olympic hero within 8 years…
Maybe don’t say that? I mean he has been corrected and if I’m not mistaken it wasn’t exactly rape either. She wanted him to do what he did. And age wasn’t completely clear.
This is not right I agree, but it is a bit more nuanced and seeing everything in black or white is a problem you yourself should fix.
Also, before the gaslighting starts. I do not condone rape or pedophilia, it’s not up for debate. I do believe in a righteous system. The Dutch are not America, so don’t pretend they are.
t wasn’t exactly rape either. She wanted him to do what he did. And age wasn’t completely clear.
What a fucking gross thing to say. A 21 year old traveled to another country to have sex with a 12 year old. No.
I understand why it’s important to call statutory rape rape, but it creates these headlines where it sounds like this dude violently assaulted a child. He didn’t. This is a case where a stupid young person went on an internet date with and ended up having sex with someone who was WAY too young (but was FULLY into what was happening and trying to help make it happen). He’s probably grown a lot in the ten years since the incident and is able to be like “yeah, I was young, stupid and horny and I got myself in a bunch of trouble with bad judgement. Never the fuck again.”
But news sites gotta get clicks and people gotta have things to be outraged about.
Bro you’re gross. 21 year old travels to another country and has sex with a 12 year old. This was not a technicality.
I’m not arguing it wasn’t rape. I’m arguing
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It’s not equivilent to violent assault, or drugging or blackmail or something like that, but the word in the headline implies that it is. This is a criticism of “get clicks” journalism, not of protecting children or using appropriate language to describe things that are not OK.
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Young people are stupid and deserve understanding and forgiveness. If there HAD been violence or blackmail or something I would not feel the same way about this.
This does not make me some MRA bro being like “it’s fine man.” That’s not what I’m saying. What I am is someone who has worked with and mentored a lot of young people and the culture is NOT kind to them around issues of sexuality. It’s trying to get kinder, but we’re still WAY too confused and reactionary and don’t think about these situations on a case by case basis, we think about them like “Gross man!” And that creates tons of injustice. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to be comfortable with it (you shouldn’t be comfortable with stuff like this), but that doesn’t mean your reactions can’t feed into a problematic zeitgeist. And the news is always going to be like “rape, rape, rape (click here to learn more)!” That’s not always fair, because that word can mean lots of different things (all bad, but not all equal) and our imaginations rush straight to the worst version.
That’s all I’m saying. I knew I would get comments like this when I did. To me that proves my point a little.
What outrages me is 19 year olds going to jail for having sex with 17 year old, or 15 year olds getting put on sex offender lists for filming themselves and sharing it on line. These things are an awful problem, that it’s hard for us to talk about and address. The Right ALWAYS wants to punish sex outside their excepted social boundaries (or any opportunity they get really) and the left is like “Protect and liberate children! (for good reason) but DON’T think too hard about the edge cases because OMG protect the children!!!”
You’re right, this isn’t an edge case. He violated a big boundary, took advantage of what was probably a huge power imbalance, he was definitely old enough that he should know better and he faced his consequences. And they WEREN’T that extreme because the cases aren’t all equal.
All I’m saying is maybe he doesn’t deserve to live the rest of his life as a social pariah because of a case of bad judgement at 21. You won’t change my mind about that. If that makes me gross to you… ok.
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I understand why it’s important to call statutory rape rape
sounds like you don’t actually.
he play so good tho
I see no problem with it. The corrections facility worked. I am of the belief that criminals are the product of poor social conditioning, and that the correct behaviors can be reconditioned.
You believe pedophilia is a product of poor social conditioning?
Yes. Every human has an “id” or animalistic desire. Part of living in a society is giving up part of those desires so we can all thrive. People can change, it’s part of what make us human.
At the very least it should be classed as a mental illness and treated as such. Nobody chooses who or what they’re attracted to, and those suffering deserve help, especially when they’ve not acted on it (the guy in the post also deserves help but also needs punishment for his actions on top of it)
How do you know the corrections facility worked? I feel like it would be easy to say the exact things you are supposed to say.
Why have a correction facility at all if you have no belief that it works? Corrections facility should focus on social reconditioning not punishment.
That would be good if it worked. We probably agree but I think it should just make them into people with a purpose and have a life worth living. I dont think we can change how they feel, but we can do like the military does and give them purpose and direction.
If a person does their time, they should be done with punishment. Whether or not the punishment fits the crime is another thing entirely.
Sure, but I dont think the facility actually changed anything about the person.
I don’t think
Based on what though?
Based on it being nearly impossible to change these sorts of things. If you want to have sex with a 12 year old, you cant just make that go away (without pills).
I think the point of corrections is to make them never do it again, regardless of their desire. I mean, I want to save the world from billionaires. And if I did it once and was “corrected,” that wouldn’t remove the desire, it would just prevent me from doing it again.
Neither of us know the corrective actions, the terms of release, or even the details of the crime. It’s not really fair to continue to punish them because some people want to do it.
That said, I sure wouldn’t trust him around kids, and I think that scenario should be covered in the terms of release.
I stopped at “save the world from billionaires.” Dude, you seem reasonable, but just stop listening to all the dumb people, they lie to you.
