The United Nations General Assembly voted 124-14 on Wednesday to strip Israel of the right to self-defense in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem.
The test of the resolution was based on the International Court of Justice’s advisory opinion in July that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory was illegal.
The resolution also calls on member states not to sell arms or military equipment to Israel that would be used in Gaza, the West Bank, and east Jerusalem.
Among the 43 countries that abstained were Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom. Some 12 of the 27 European Union countries abstained, including Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Lithuania, Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Sweden.
Shoutout to the libs wetting their pants over non-Russian weapons being used against Ukraine
I’m not sure what could be worse than literally bulldozing all of Palestine to the ground and killing the survivors that crawl out. And that is not hyperbole. Literal bulldozers are going in a line through Palestine.
Maybe PugJesus can enlighten us?
That is a very misleading headline. Carpet bombing over 30.000 civilians to death is not self defense, not even close to it.
What a shitty title and crappy biased article. That’s not what the resolution was about.
Here’s the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/19/un-resolution-israel-palestinian-territory-countries-vote/
U.N. General Assembly demands Israel end occupation of Palestinian territory The nonbinding resolution says Israel must end its “unlawful presence” within a year, pull out military forces, halt settlement expansion and evacuate settlers.
What was i expecting?
Why would you blame ml when it was posted by a .world member. Even they were just posting the article’s title verbatim. Should be blaming the Jerusalem post for such a garbage article
They are literally citing the Jeruslam post, a conservative pro-zionist media… You are lost.
because it fits their narrative?
Israel is illegally occupying Palestine. The violence they commit is the furthest possible thing from self defense.
Germany abstaining is actually a big deal.
The defense of Israel is one of our “Reason of State” and not voting in favour of Israel is a serious signal that politicians are fed up with Netanyahus bullshit.
Germany often abstained in critical UN votes regarding Israel and Palestine. E.g. here or here.
And german “intellectuals” are already in the “it is not binding” mode… Germanies political and media class is lost, completly detached from the constituency, who is against the genocide by a large margin.
We need to expel Israel from the UN. These religious fanatics have no place in the civilized world.
Removing a country from the UN for doing horrible things would defeat the UN’s entire purpose.
Which is keep the current world order of countries doing such dominating?
The UN was created after WW2 to prevent another world war and have a diplomatic channel between all countries that is always open. It’s far from perfect, but it’s definitely better than what we had before.
It’s the exact same as we had before. What Israel and Turkey and Azerbaijan and China and Russia are doing is exactly the same as Nazi Germany before it got its head broken.
Or maybe it’s better for those not affected because the world war is not happening - instead such things go completely unpunished.
I dunno, maybe I should go out and behead a few people, what if that’ll elevate my status?
IDK, FRY was de facto kicked out of the UN in 1992.
Part of any international sanctions is to leave something for the perpetrator to lose.
Otherwise, they can do literally everything without any further consequences whatsoever - it won’t get worse for them.
Also, as rightfully mentioned, part of UN’s goal is restoring peace between nations, which is harder to do when they are not members. That’s the problem with Palestine, and it will get worse if Israel leaves too.
Good time to expel Iran as well
Israeli fanatics have killed more people in a year than Iran has in decades. Israel is a terrorist entity.
Whilst I disagree with your earlier point about expelling Israel from the UN (or anybody else: the whole point of the place is as a diplomatic talking shop for everybody) I wholehartedly agree with this one.
or anybody else: the whole point of the place is as a diplomatic talking shop for everybody
Except Artsakh and Tigray and Rojava and … Cause UN membership has been coerced to be used as some “proof of sovereignty” while it’s not even in UN’s own founding documents. So a non-UN member state won’t get accepted to UN (cause everybody voting likes their elevated status through such a situation) and additionally can be militarily attacked, even wiped out, and everybody acts as if that were normal, while, again, even in the UN charter it’s not.
I’d argue the harm from that is bigger than the purpose you named. After all, diplomats can already talk wherever they want and they do.
It sounds a lot like you’re letting Perfection be the enemy of Good Enough.
Should there be no UN because in a small proportion of situations it’s actually shit and is it really realistic to have no talking shop like that at all for as long as it takes for the World to somehow get together and make a perfect entity for that?
I’ve given some thought to it over the years and I think that the UN still does more good than bad, even whilst being shit at some things and having no real power other than that of influencing nations in general and the World’s public opinion.
Further, even if in the balance of things tearing down the UN and creating something better turned out to be the best thing to do, I don’t quite see how arbitrarily kicking countries from the UN that were deemed “badly behaving” at the moment would help us create the something better since those countries would need to be there too (it would certainly help tear down the UN, just not help with the actual primary purpose of getting something better to replace it).
A talking shop for everybody using the penalty of kicking members out only ever succeeds in turning itself into an exclusive club, and at the time when the only thing that existed were such clubs (which were naturally made up of nations allied with each other) was before and at the start of WWI and lead to it and to WWII.
I don’t disagree with your criticisms of the UN. They’re not a perfect organization, and UN membership shouldn’t be some standard of sovereignty. However, diplomats have always been able to talk whenever they want, the problem that the League of Nations and then the UN tried to address was all the backrooms conversations nations used to have that were part of the causes that lead up to the first world war. Having an international platform every nation needs to at least listen to is better than the alternative. Arguably, untill now the UN has succeeded, there hasn’t been a WWIII.
Iran, if compared to most big countries except maybe India, Egypt and Latin American ones, is a paragon of humanism. They are at war with so many other countries because they behave like they are supposed to, while those others behave like Israel right now.
Of course murder, torture and rape of protesters is not something I’d sign under. It’s just that some things come down to numbers and make Iran better.
Locking people up for their gender, sexuality or for listening to pop music is okay with you?
You fool.
As compared to beheading them for their ethnicity, yes. So until Azerbaijan is sanctioned and put to its place, please shut up. We all care more about things closer to us, but one is worse than the other.
Have you seen what happens to Muslims in India? Hindu nationalists are using Gaza as a model for how they should run Kashmir.
There are much more Muslims living in India than just those in Kashmir. They also have regions where Muslims treat Christians that way. India is big. That said, yes, it sucks, but Kashmir is a situation where “both sides” can be used honestly. It’s just that somehow Europeans and Americans like to consider Muslims the oppressed group number one. Usually they are the oppressors.
Is this just symbolic? Does it levy any penalties for not complying?
The resolution has declaratory power only but provides international backing to those countries that want to take additional steps against Israel.
And nobody will obey that decision.
ICJ has made some rulings about Artsakh too. Should have been not so hard to sanction the beheading savages out of occupying a small country and expelling its residents. By the way, in the UN charter a “country” does not only refer to UN members, that distinction is intentionally made clear in a few places.
UN is less useful than Holy Roman Empire.
It’s not a decision to obey. It’s just a boring skit they put on once in a while. I feel like the kids’ Model UN has more actual impact on society than the UN and its toothless performative bullshit
Legislative bodies get their “teeth” by the state monopoly on violence. The UN having teeth would have to mean UN forces, and it’d even have to mean those forces being among the strongest in the world.
It’s a diplomatic tool, not anything else. It encourages communication and collaboration and discourages conflict.
Ashamed that my country abstained here
I’m not.
It’s obvious why OP is ashamed. But why aren’t you? Proud of your nation’s quiet support of a genocide?
I think if somebody killed, raped and kidnapped my family members they would deserve whatever came next.
Fuck around, find out.
I think if I found out my country was doing a genocide with an unimaginably higher ratio of civilians murdered, I’d decry both acts, and not actively support the ongoing justifications made for a genocide by an apartheid based regime.
so you agree, Palestine has a right to defend itself, including with armed resistance? or is this a case of “FAFO for me, but not for thee”?
Nope it definitely goes both ways, but one side has everything to lose. I might be morally justified trying to take on ms13 but I’m still going to get my ass handed to me.
one side DOES have everything to lose, and it’s the side being ethnically cleansed, starved, kidnapped, bombed, mauled by dogs, indiscriminately shot, and thrown into rape camps for about 75 years now. I’m glad you agree Palestinians have a right to resist their own eradication 🫡
So you’re saying you condemn the rapist soldiers at Sde Teiman, the mob that rioted in their defense, and the administration that fostered an environment where that would happen?
Because surely you aren’t refering to the fabricated hoax about Hamas doing mass rape. You’ll reject it out of hand, but I guess for anyone else reading this, another good breakdown.
They voted in favour?
Israel and Kyle Rittenhouse can agree on one thing, it’s totally cool to kill people and then pretend you were defending yourself
Please yankee, don’t make everything happening in the world about you
I’m not trying to make it about me, I’m trying to say that what Israel was doing was not self-defense
Weird that the comments and the top level post are calling out the countries which abstained but apperently no one cares about the ‘against’ votes.
I think it may be due to the “against” votes coming from the obvious places (Israel, USA) and a bunch of tiny places most people couldn’t point in a map.
The “curious” ones for me are Panama and Argentina. Curious as in I wonder what their statements to vote against would be
Argentina is an obvious one. Milei is a giant US bootlicker.
The headline is genocide apologia and should be banned.
The entire article is utter apologetic trash, doing its absolute best to show how unpopular this decision is (despite being hugely popular) and focusing on “Hamas terrorism concerns” without any consideration at all given to Palestinians.
It stopped being about self-defense, if anyone ever bothered trailing what Israel had been doing.
But, go watch the prime minister declare everyone anti-semantic anyways over this.
Honestly it would be an open and shut case here in the US.
My neighbor throws grenades into my window, me running into their house with my friends and shooting everyone there who looks like they might have had a grenade is not self-defense…
More like, im occupying my neighbor house while having him locked on the basement, he throws a rock at me and I’m just go around killing everyone I see.
It was never about self defence.
Ever since 1948, Israel has been systematically killing everyone in their ‘promised land’.
It’s not self defense when they’re the ones attacking.
Good
