> Fires the guy whose job was assassinating heads of state

> Gets assassinated

> Guy who got fired gets on the investigative comittee which fucks up the investigation

Who could it be 🤔

The Japanese fascists didn’t give a shit about the people getting nuked. If they did they would have started the war in the first place. The most the nukes gave them was an excuse, they could pretend that’s why they surrendered to make themselves look better. The only thing they cared about was their own skin. The reason they didn’t want to submit to unconditional surrender was because they didn’t want to hang.

The desperate hope that they had been hanging on to was that they could negotiate with the USSR to mediate the surrender (in fact, the USSR was just buying time as they moved troops to attack). This hope was prolonged because Truman pulled out of a joint statement with the USSR calling for surrender, and the reason he did that was because he wanted an opportunity to use the bomb.

The USSR declaring war is the thing that removed the last hope the Japanese fascists had for a conditional surrender. They were then allowed to save face by claiming they cared so much about sparing the people from nukes. Because really the only reason the US was so insistant on unconditional surrender in the first place was because it would sound more badass in the papers and help Truman get reelected. Dropping the nukes also served as a way to justify the costs of the program, and to intimidate the Soviets.

The projections for a possible invasion were all invented after the war as a talking point. No such projection existed during the war, nor was any invasion planned.

A lot of his base believe that the reason the US goes around the world plundering and killing is for the benefit of the people in those countries. It’s utterly delusional, White Man’s Burden bullshit but that’s what the media says and they’re gullible enough to believe it (as are some liberals tbh). The main thing they want is to stop carrying this imagined White Man’s Burden. They don’t give a single shit about what kind of harm is inflicted on foreigners, they just don’t want to feel like they’re paying to help foreigners (or anybody else).

All that adds up to, if Trump does terrorist strikes that kill schoolgirls and destabilize countries to the benefit of absolutely no one, they don’t care. At best, they might care a little about US troops who are killed because they don’t see them as subhumans (like they do foreigners), but even then it’s a toss-up because they might decide to want vengeance.

There is an “isolationist” current because they can see the failure of the occupation of Afghanistan but they also have incoherent worldviews and little ability to resist propaganda. So they blame that failure on “woke” and on it being nation-building, without realizing that the “woke” was just a pretence and also that Bush also claimed he didn’t want to get involved in nation-building because of Vietnam.

WHICH I REFUTED ALREADY, JUST LIKE I REFUTED YOUR 3D PRINTER BULLSHIT AND EVERY OTHER STUPID BULLSHIT POINT YOU RAISED, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.

Blocked.

Man, fuck off. Like you didn’t make shit up over an over, that whole “1776” line, get the fuck out. Just drop it. Reply again and I’ll block you.

That’s stupid. If I went into sufficient depth to satisfy you (and only you, btw), nobody would read it because of the length.

I’ve addressed all your objections and each time you just invent some new bullshit to try to justify why you got all pissy in the first place. Just fuck off already.

So I’m not allowed to tell anyone to do anything if that one thing doesn’t magically fix all the problems in the world?

“Buying a gun” is the tankie version of libs saying “go vote”. Solves nothing, they say it will fix everything.

Where did I say that it would “fix everything?” Weren’t you just complaining about “mischaracterizing arguments” (which I never did)?

Again, you’re just looking for reasons to attack me for no reason. No idea what crawled up your ass but it has nothing to do with anything I’ve actually said.

I clearly went too far because I was satirizing your mischaracterization of other people’s arguments

Whose arguments did I mischaracterize in the initial comment I made? The National Guard’s? What a load of horseshit, you came out of the gate attacking me for no reason.

Buying “a” gun won’t do anything meaningful in and of itself. We need some people to buy a lot of guns and ammo.

What does it matter if one person buys 10 guns to give to 10 people, or if 10 people buy their own guns? The end result is the same. You’re just putting ideological hangups before pragmatism.

We need lots of people thinking about each other. We need people thinking about things like food, water, waste, etc.

None of which is precluded by buying a gun.

Like the US government has never caved because somebody shot a bullet at them. They cave because airports get shutdown, because trash stops being collected.

Neither of these is correct. For example, the US government caved when the NVA shot a bunch of bullets at them. They also have the capability of suppressing strikes at gunpoint, if it comes to that. Just as they did the student demonstrators at Kent State. Strikes can be effective, but if you have no capability to fight back, then it’s not likely to be enough.

Like a bunch of military drones come through your door you won’t even have the opportunity to kill a single fascist. You’re just dead, killed by a guy essentially playing a video game. A missile is the same thing

Of course. I never disputed that. But they aren’t sending drones or launching missiles, they’re sending people.

There’s no heroic fantasy where just owning a gun lets people takedown a fascist.

That’s just obviously false. Are fascists impervious to bullets now? Is Charlie Kirk still alive, then?

where we all look at the guns on our mantles

Lmao! Too much of a clown for me to even satirize you.

Yes, it’s exactly the same as telling people to buy ovaltine. Ovaltine will definitely help you kill fascists just as much as a gun will.

Your position is so fucking stupid, and every angle you tried to defend it from has fallen apart under the tiniest bit of scrutiny. Including this one.

No, I didn’t. You just randomly decided to start attacking me based on a bunch of flimsy bullshit.

I downvote your comments because they’re pointless nitpicking, not because you say “that’s not enough.” If you had said, “Also, train, join an org, and read theory” I wouldn’t be downvoting you. Instead you said, “lol buying a gun won’t fix anything” and dismissed the suggestion as “individualist consumerism.” That’s not “going further.”

I’m sorry that the pithy ending to a comment that was primarily about the history of Kent State was not a detailed outline of every possible tactic that could be effective at resisting.

This comes down to ammo. if you have a bunch of guns they’re going to be useful until it runs out of ammo. If you are caching huge amounts of ammo and guns then yes that’s useful as long as you or your allies keep control of it. And caching ammo is harder and more expensive than just buying a gun.

Like if your “military” is providing .223 ammo that .308 rifle isn’t going to be too useful for very long.

Right, when I said “buy a gun” obviously there was no implication that you should also buy the appropriate ammunition to use said gun. I’m just telling people to buy unloaded guns to put on their mantles to look at.

This line of “logic” is so fucking ridiculous I don’t even know how to reason with it.

Let’s say “the army” decides to start handing out guns to people. What if they don’t have enough guns to go around? Because it seems to me, that every gun a person already has is one less gun that “the army” has to procure somehow. It kinda seems like people who did the evil bad “individualist consumerism” of bringing their own guns to the revolution are actually bringing a greater contribution than they would have been able to otherwise, doesn’t it?

Nobody in any other revolution bought any guns.

Again: Do you understand that countries outside of the US exist?

What a bunch of delusional nonsense. If enslaved people had the opportunity to buy guns, then obviously they would have, and obviously they would’ve been right to do so. Perhaps I should avoid reading and writing, since slaves were often not permitted to learn those things.

1776 was a bourgeois revolution, it is not “my model for proletarian revolution” and I don’t have the slightest idea where you pulled that from. You are aware that countries outside of the US have had revolutions, right?

Individualistic, consumerist thinking will not result in a “proletarian revolution” that’s just a bunch of people cosplaying freedom while they ignore the actual shit going on around them.

“Buy a gun” is not “individualistic, consumerist thinking” you absolute clown.

Not what I asked.

I have respect for actual pacifists, even if I disagree with them. I don’t have respect for hypocrites who adopt pacifistic stances when it comes to non-state, working class actors but are somehow fine with the state using it.

“The last rope they sell us will be the one we hang them with.” I don’t like the idea of giving money to war profiteers any more than you do, but it is an unfortunate necessity.

The only way guns are going to matter in a realistic sense is if people are afraid to shoot you because they’ll get shot

Um… yes. That’s the point?

If there’s actually some kind of civil war you’ll get guns an ammo from the army.

From what army? What are you talking about?

Is your plan to rely on the US government to arm the proletariat?

There’s a chance he would have died in a hail of gunfire,

He did die in a hail of gunfire.

and probably gotten a lot of innocent bystanders killed as well,

Do you support complete disarmament of the police and military? Or is it only with non-state actors that this concern about missed shots outweighs everything else?