It’s your personal lifetime of experience saying “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…”
Tumblr is a for profit company like many of their peers in the social media industry. They will latch onto anything of perceived value and suck it dry for their own gain then toss it aside when no longer useful to their profit margins
I am more surprised than I should be at how quickly the Fedi pitch went from “we want a future where everything is interoperable everywhere” to “we don’t want any interaction with for profit companies”.
I don’t mind either way, it’s all bad and I shouldn’t be here in the first place, but… you know, it’s weird seeing social patterns develop in real time.
I am more surprised than I should be at how quickly the Fedi pitch went from “we want a future where everything is interoperable everywhere” to “we don’t want any interaction with for profit companies”.
A non-zero number of these companies are opportunists looking to fediwash their profile (just like ecowashing, pridewashing and so forth. Hell even Blueksy, the media darling of “we’re fedi we promise!” is already engaging in Blue Checks™ and ads in streams. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
Specifically, what is Tumblr really worth without all it’s advertising and web controls to limit content viewing without forcing an account? (hello, Instagram) Adding bidirectional ActivityPub to Tumblr would basically render the site useless, who would subject themselves to that trash heap of a website when they could get the actual content from, say, a Lemmy instance? s/Tumblr/Reddit == samesame
For profit companies who have built walled gardens and wish to stay that way (reddit, tumblr, meta, linkedin, etc.) are at ethical odds with the ActivityPub world, insofar as people are trying vehemently to get away from these companies. But you’ll notice for profit companies who are within the ideals of Fedipeople (for example Nitro, or Tuta, or Proton, or Mullvad) do not get griefed due to alignment of values and morals of the communities in question.
But the pitch wasn’t “everything will be interoperable unless the company doesn’t mean it or wants to make money or we aren’t “morally aligned”, whatever that means”.
I don’t understand how you can be a “walled garden” and still feature interoperability with a set of open source platforms under a pre-established set protocol. This is not an ethical problem or a problem of ideology, those two things are mutually exclusive.
This also sounds a whole lot like it disproves skrlet13’s point on the heterogeneous Fedi where everything fits under different but overlapping bubbles. Seems to me you think Fedi has the one moral and ethical position on this.
Fedi is not homogeneus. Each server interacts with who it wants. You could say multiple fedis exist at the same time, and both pitches represent different people.
Yeah, well, don’t tell them. The fields of Mastodon are still full of the debris of the Great Threads Arguments. Seemed to me everybody thought they had the correct and only Fedi.
It’s your personal lifetime of experience saying “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…”
Tumblr is a for profit company like many of their peers in the social media industry. They will latch onto anything of perceived value and suck it dry for their own gain then toss it aside when no longer useful to their profit margins
I am more surprised than I should be at how quickly the Fedi pitch went from “we want a future where everything is interoperable everywhere” to “we don’t want any interaction with for profit companies”.
I don’t mind either way, it’s all bad and I shouldn’t be here in the first place, but… you know, it’s weird seeing social patterns develop in real time.
A non-zero number of these companies are opportunists looking to fediwash their profile (just like ecowashing, pridewashing and so forth. Hell even Blueksy, the media darling of “we’re fedi we promise!” is already engaging in Blue Checks™ and ads in streams. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
Specifically, what is Tumblr really worth without all it’s advertising and web controls to limit content viewing without forcing an account? (hello, Instagram) Adding bidirectional ActivityPub to Tumblr would basically render the site useless, who would subject themselves to that trash heap of a website when they could get the actual content from, say, a Lemmy instance? s/Tumblr/Reddit == samesame
For profit companies who have built walled gardens and wish to stay that way (reddit, tumblr, meta, linkedin, etc.) are at ethical odds with the ActivityPub world, insofar as people are trying vehemently to get away from these companies. But you’ll notice for profit companies who are within the ideals of Fedipeople (for example Nitro, or Tuta, or Proton, or Mullvad) do not get griefed due to alignment of values and morals of the communities in question.
Cool.
But the pitch wasn’t “everything will be interoperable unless the company doesn’t mean it or wants to make money or we aren’t “morally aligned”, whatever that means”.
I don’t understand how you can be a “walled garden” and still feature interoperability with a set of open source platforms under a pre-established set protocol. This is not an ethical problem or a problem of ideology, those two things are mutually exclusive.
This also sounds a whole lot like it disproves skrlet13’s point on the heterogeneous Fedi where everything fits under different but overlapping bubbles. Seems to me you think Fedi has the one moral and ethical position on this.
Fedi is not homogeneus. Each server interacts with who it wants. You could say multiple fedis exist at the same time, and both pitches represent different people.
Yeah, well, don’t tell them. The fields of Mastodon are still full of the debris of the Great Threads Arguments. Seemed to me everybody thought they had the correct and only Fedi.