In 2014, after years of debate, Brazil’s Congress ratified Law 12.965/2014, the Internet Civil Framework. This law required social media companies to delete posts and deplatform users who broke Brazilian laws. However, it placed the burden on Brazilian courts to identify the posts and accounts.
Is this meant to apply to all “users” of the platform or only Brazilian Citizens?
If it applies to Brazilian Citizens, that’s all fine and good. But if I break brazilian law by criticizing their government, is lemmy.ml expected to “deplatform” and “censor” me?
Yes, the person hosting a website has to abide by the laws of countries they want to avoid being blocked in. This is common sense unless you’re Mark Zuckerberg. No human rights for zillionaires, sorry chuddy
So is lemmy.ml breaking the law in brazil right now? And rather then laughing at the notion, you think it’s a good thing? Yea you should probably change your name to Avatar of Fascism.
No it’s not, also there is at least one Brazilian Lemmy instance, stop crying in my mentions because someone made Facebook and Twitter follow laws which ALREADY APPLIED TO EVERYONE ELSE. Replying to me will not bring your wife back or whatever this is.
Which countries laws “ALREADY APPL[Y] TO EVERYONE ELSE?” Cause I’m pretty sure that isn’t how laws of other countries work. I understand that you want countries to pass laws making it illegal for people to make fun of you on the Internet, but that’s a laughable notion.
Quit pulling stuff out of your ass, I’ve been trying to explain this to you because I find the subject engaging. Unc I spoke to you for the same reason I speak to hobos, we’re all human beings, but you were already testing my patience, this is ridiculous. I’m still not convinced you read the article. I’m saying other websites in Brazil have to follow the law, US social media companies have been ignoring it, while enforcing their own code of conduct modeled after US definition of “disinformation” and internet laws. The supreme court of Brazil is enforcing the preexisting laws on them. It seems like you are not grasping the basic details to me or you’re just a lunatic
I read the article. In-fact I started this thread asking for clarification to whom these laws apply. Then you went off on a tangent about Zuckerberg and implied i’m a “chud.” So let me state how I think these laws apply, tell me if this is correct.
The Nation of Brazil passes a law that says the users of a website have to abide by Brazil’s laws. I don’t know what they meant by that, I assume lemmy.ml that is not hosted in Brazil isn’t expected to know nor care about what Brazil’s laws say. But if that were the case, then Facebook also wouldn’t be expected to know nor care about what Brazil’s laws say. The citizens of brazil that use facebook? Sure, they should be subject to those laws. But why should any other entity that exists outside of Brazil be obligated to know nor care about Brazilian law?
Those details seem pretty important, and the article doesn’t address them at all, it merely says that Brazil’s supreme court says that website are required to “deplatform” and “delete posts” of users who broke the law. But why should lemmy.ml abide by brazilian laws?
Lemmy.ml should abide by Brazilian laws because otherwise they’ll get blocked in that country. I’m not much of a free speech fanatic. Ideally if people post a bunch of Nazi shit then Brazilian ISPs will be legally obliged to block it. The socdems in Brazil are rather lame so I have little faith in all of the “dark humor” Fb and Telegram groups getting nuked.
I’m not a lawyer, but, if you understand this isn’t even a new law and it’s just the end of impunity for US companies I don’t see why you would frame this as an imminent threat to free speech. That’s why I doubted you read.
all users persecutable by brazilian law. its not about internet access or the platforms themselves, its about what you say and do publicly. the internet is just an extension of it.
said criminal or racist shit on twitter, and courts caught wind of it? believe it or not straight to court. most people get away with it, but its harder if you are famous but not rich enough to dismiss the accusations.
its pretty much like you commited that crime IRL.
So you are telling me that when Israel makes their definition of “anti-semitism” illegal that everyone in the entire world that uses the internet has to abide by it? That doesn’t seem desirable or sane at all.
everyone in the entire world, israel
where did you get that from? i didn’t say any of this.
That is the natural extension of your line of thinking is it not? Which users are “persecutable” by brazilian/Israeli law? If it’s not just the citizens of Brazil (which i’m ok with, obviously a nation should be able to pass laws that apply to their citizens) but everyone “persecutable,” doesn’t that mean that a country that is sufficiently able to persecute anyone in the world is now justified to enforce their laws upon the entire world?
its really not.
brazil is not israel. brazil can’t meddle anywhere else without serious consequences.
and yes, it would suck if it was a nazi country, but its not.
Will he keep this dumb position when hes the one veing censored? Ill be waiting to see
Did you read the article? Be honest with me. Because nobody who attentively read the article would think this is a new censorship regime, rather than foreign tech monopolies being asked to follow the law. You’re siding with Elon Musk now?
You seem to confuse how things work on paper and how reality is. Platforms will take down any content that may get them sued. If you dont like what someone is doing, sue the platform for whatever hatespeech and they take the content down. But theres no need to argue, just wait and see
Telesur is not going to get censored by Brazilian law lmao, if platforms did that it would be a reprisal for being made to follow Brazilian law.
There is no good argument for the US oligarchy to get final say over the govts of the countries using their services, but this is even crazier to say when US platforms are littered with mysteriously unmoderated Nazi content. Get real?
This fairytale seems real cool. But when you wake up check what pro israel agencies made out of hate speech worldwide, including Brasil, and try to guess what will happen
I’m the one spinning fairy tales?? You’re telling me that these companies aren’t already blocking people in accordance with their own policies shaped by those very organizations? I just think there is a misunderstanding here, because Bolsonaro would never do anything like this but you’re reframing it as a win for him.
I sure hope nobody thinks of Brazil as a magic kingdom where only good things happening. For the govt there to actually grow a backbone and limit the influence of the orgs that are encouraging their petit boug to be little pro-US Evangelical nightmare beings would ve fantastic. The dominance of US tech & media is very very bad and other countries need actual sovereignty (like enforcing their laws on multinational companies and not legalizing their activities - at a bare minimum, as relying on them at all is a result of being deliberately underdeveloped)
These companies are very entwined with US state power it’s imperialism and the privatization of the state that is an issue not third world sovereignty itself
This is not a win for bolsonaro, its a HUGE loss for brasilian people
No it’s not! I hope you can see that uninhibited unlawful access by multinational media & telecom companies is exactly what leads to the establishment of comprador figures like Bolsonaro, who dislike Telesur’s politics.
I’m actually glad you’ve raised this, as it helps me develop my thoughts on social libertarian left tech activism & its limitations. One of its dubious accomplishments is watering down the wrongs done by the US & allied governments with pop social science into generic anti-authoritarian rhetoric, and opposing actions by neo-colonized countries which limit foreign soft power + capital
