The sub went missing while carrying five people to the wreckage of the Titanic.
Crazy. I wanted to check to see if there had been any updates and I was going to check Reddit because I thought I was more likely to find info quickly there. But I decided that I couldn’t have seen it on Kbin first if I didn’t give Kbin the chance and check it first and here is the exact info I was looking for at the very top of the first page of my Kbin app.
This is how we become the front page of the internet – it’s not gonna be instant, but keep posting and understand with content here first and slowly but surely we’ll be the place to be
good. hopefully the media can stop pushing this nonsense 24/7. i wonder if the families will pay for the millions of dollars wasted in searching for these selfish idiots? who knowingly signed up for this death trap?
at least emergency services in my area charge idiots for rescues. fuck around in the White mountains and you can end up paying six figures or more for a rescue. which is as it should be. they don’t however, charge for legitimate rescues.
“good” “selfish idiots”
Such disregard for life is unjustifiable and inexcusable - I don’t know what values you aspire to live by, but celebrating death or wishing punitive suffering on anyone is certain to perpetuate harm.
It’s tragic that people died regardless of the lives they lead. I have no love for the ultra wealthy, and this event overshadowing the capsized migrant boat highlights our collective hypocrisy, but celebrating death & suffering is a self-destructive and socially regressive action that I hope fewer people do. Instead of directing your ire towards the individuals who died I hope that you and other readers direct that frustration towards the systemic failures those individuals embodied, and I hope you find a way use that anger for constructive action towards a better world.
oh ok. so we should just make everyone immortal forever then.
think through what you are saying and you might realize the absurdity of it.
This complete and utter lack of compassion is something I’d expect to see on Reddit. How unfortunate this mindset seems to have tagged along in the migration. Show some damn humanity.
Agreed, and the fact that the hateful parent comment is still sitting at the top of the thread also makes me concerned for kbin’s ranking algorithm.
At the moment it has 28 “upvotes” and 51 “downvotes,” which on reddit would have it buried and hidden at the bottom. Here it’s remained the top comment since the article was posted.
Possibly because it has three “boosts”? I don’t understand the difference between boosts and votes. But this site is going to have to do something about it, because normal people are going to run from this place if this kind of sociopathic content is elevated here.
you mean the same ‘normal people’ who ruined reddit by turning into a place where no dissent and disagreement is tolerated and just want to look at pictures of cute cats to ‘cultivate positivity’?
not everyone wants to live in ‘curated’ world. some normal people like a variety of opinions and perspectives, and don’t see the work through the lens of kindergarten classroom rules.
Agreed. I was really enjoying the lack of reddit-style constant negativity permeating the tops of threads for a while, but seems like every day it’s been getting worse.
what you regard as negativity is not what others regard as negativity.
your mentality is the crappy reddit one, no dissent, no differences, just only ‘positive vibes’ and pulling the wool over your eyes.
the complete disregard of human beings who don’t have tons of financial wealth and the worship and waste of those who do, that is something you think is positive?
you simple don’t regard the poor as human. a very common perspective.
The complete and utter lack of understanding as to why people may react in the way the person you’re replying to boggles my mind. Are you willfully ignorant of how destructive billionaires can be on society? Are you completely neglecting how negligent the CEO of this diving company was about their own safety?
Instead of wagging your finger from your pedestal, spend some time understanding why so many people share this type of reaction.
There was a single billionaire on that sub. Just one. There were two businessmen, one with his son, and a well known diver. It wasn’t a sub full of billionaires. Certainly they were all wealthy, no question there. But your reaction can only be “Good, they deserved it” if you think the deaths of the others (including the 19 year-old, who had no control over what family he was born into) are worth the death of the billionaire.
It’s a response fundamentally lacking in empathy. You’re asking us to have empathy for the person who isn’t displaying empathy.
Sure, he cut a lot of safety corners. This is the epitome of “fuck around and find out”. It’s even ironic.
But we can still have empathy. Being stupid about it doesn’t mean that they didn’t leave families behind.
i think people who willing put themselves into a dangerous situation deserve what is coming to them, yes.
empathy has shit to do with it. i have empathy for people who do the right things and suffer, not for people who do stupid/wrong things and suffer.
i fail to get what moral standing there is for empathizing with people who do stupid shit that ends up endangering others.
god forbid there be negative consequences for negative actions…
if you think feeling bad for others no matter the context is some sort of moral achievement… bully you. i call it grandstanding.
do you also have empathy for a drunk driver who murders a family of four and gets away with minor injuries?
people tend to have endless empathy for those that they worship. and total disregard for anyone else.
it’s bootlicking of tragedy.
lol bro. You don’t have to like the rich class to have basic human empathy for other people
I’m not saying you can’t have empathy for other people. I’m saying you should probably understand better as to why people have the reaction they do
Because people like to act shallow and just put other people into grouos they hate regardless of actually knowing anyone form that group?
Gee, that’s always works well for everyone.
murderers are a group.
should they have the receive the same level of empathy, of say, teachers. also a group.
Personally, I’m proud of having more empathy and humanity than a billionaire.
@smokinjoe @Girlparts @Turkey_Titty_city @EnderWi99in This is what Internet White Knighting looks like.
Ender’s heart is in the right place, but his head is up his ass.
Lol you have no idea what white knighting means you moron.
@EnderWi99in @Girlparts @Turkey_Titty_city @smokinjoe
Funnily enough, I do.
It’s funny you think that. Go back to Reddit.
I have zero compassion for people who claim any safety measures taken are ridiculous, pay extraoridinary amounts of money to do something stupid, and potentially cause the death of a young kid.
And then waste extraordinary resources in public funding to “fix” it.
Hope these families get charged for every dollar.
exactly. these people are a blight on society. why should so many resources be wasted on their egos just because they have fat bank accounts?
sadly too many people are bootlickers who think the wealthy and their awful lifestyles are something to be worshipped. i would wager most of the empathy pushers here have zero empathy for the migrants on the boats… because those people had no wealth.
sad truth is we live in a world where your moral worth or empathy worth is directly tied to your financial worth. a few rich people dying is a tragedy to dwell on, hundreds of poor people dying is not worth a thought.
I personally think the empathy pushers are just bad faith actors.
Misplaced empathy (if genuine) is just as nuclear as fascist takeover.
Empathizing with the utterly cruel and utterly dumb is how you can’t tell anymore who is truly kind and generous.
yep. they are the ones whining and saying ‘why can’t we bury/block/ignore this bad person and their bad comments’.
the people who police negativity are the ones who are subscribe to proto fascism because the underlining feeling/though is ‘get in line or get lost’.
they don’t have empathy, they just have moralizing/policing of empathy to boost themselves up and put down others, because they live a fragile and delusional world that cannot tolerate difference of opinion or perspective.
the shittiest part of reddit is how so many subs an the entire site became overrun with people who have the mentality of toddlers and start going around policing the ‘always be nice to everyone at all times’ and ‘don’t say anything that might upset someone’ and fail to see how fucked up and facist that sort of regime always becomes as it marginalizes anyone outside of the dominate group and often perpetuates destructive points of view.
or even more simple, it’s the people who have ‘empathy’ for the homeless but pass laws criminalizing homelessness and refuse to allow shelters or other resources in their communities. feeling bad for someone doesn’t make you a good person. doing good things does.
Since I heard about this whole fiasco I’m more and more dumbfounded.
There was this guy, who invented a way to dive for cheap (he listens to the carbon, and if there is a suspicious sound then he quickly comes back to the surface), complaining about the regulations which were holding submarines back. He fired the whistleblower who made reports about the danger of the equipment. He was fired and escorted outside.
Make him a meme, let’s call him the “I told you so” guy. Surely he will be invited in TV shows about this whole affair.
The equipment, a game console controller? Seriously? Gaming equipment is simple: It’s about 3% return policy. Depends on the brand. The people who swear that game controllers are safe are among the 97% who never had a return. They are the people who answers “mine works” on a forum when someone ask why his controller failed. If your game controller is broken, the service is : we send you a new one under 48 hours.
--> This service policy doesn’t work at 3800m under the water, folks! This is not the right equipment. What kind of person bets the life of 4 people on gaming equipment?? We all know why he did it, because he hates regulations and he hates paying a premium on redundant equipment. He is in for the money, nothing else. So let’s cut the costs on the hardware, let’s not listen to anyone and let’s not purchase the product of the engineers who designed equipment specially with these constraints in mind.
From time to time there is always a guy who pops-up and believes that regulations are made by people with too much free time in their hands.
The game controller thing gets meme’d to death, but I don’t think people focus on the right thing.
Xbox controllers are also used by the US Navy, among other branches of the military.
These are GOOD pieces of engineering, and they’re tested by millions of users under pretty strenuous conditions. However, the controller the Oceangate was using was some shitty-ass third-party controller that you can get for peanuts off Amazon.
THAT, IMO, is the issue that this piece of equipment illustrates. A solid Xbox Series S controller is $60 on Amazon, and you’re telling me you had to go for cheaper?
I have the wired version of the controller they used. It’s Mad Catz level garbage.
I don’t think the fact that the controller was wireless gets highlighted enough. Bluetooth devices have a hard time working above sea level and you’re expecting it to work 3800m below the surface. Delusional.
BT devices got problems only when water is in between anetna1 and antena2. It does not matter at what altitude the devices are, just what is inbetween them.
What if they command something in the water? Have you seen the design?
Well yes, if they use something in a way specifically contraindicated by the nature of the technology then that’s problematic.
Do you have evidence that this was the case, or are you moving the goal posts to the “no shit sherlock” zone for an easy win?Do you have evidence that this was the case, or are you moving the goal posts to the “no shit sherlock” zone for an easy win?
Don’t put on me your burden of proof.
Well yes, if they use something in a way specifically contraindicated by the nature of the technology then that’s problematic.
Well, turns out they did. So now that we have established that they don’t follow protocol, are you going to show us their design or are you going to reddit your way out of this conversation?
Source that they did? I’ve seen nothing to support that to date.
or are you going to reddit your way out of this conversation?
Wtf? Was that an attempt at condescension?
If you want to command something in the water, you run a wire from that something to a receiver in the cabin.
Right, exactly. Or for a “sub” that only holds 5 people… maybe just spend the 10 cents and wire it lol.
I mean, the sub had reached Titanic several times, right?
So even without the design documents, we know it was previously capable of operating at depth.
Which we means we know the hull wasn’t made of cotton candy, we know it wasn’t propelled under water by an internal combustion engine, and we know it wasn’t controlled by a device that stops working in water.
OK. Explain why they would have more trouble working at that depth.
https://www.microwavejournal.com/articles/34816-underwater-wireless-communication-using-em-waves
Now it’s your turn, tell us what make you think that it would work as usual.
Well - how about out if the receiver is on the the hull - and the bluetooth signals don’t have to travel through any water?
Maybe. And? Don’t overthink it, I’m answering to someone who boldly claimed:
“OK. Explain why they would have more trouble working at that depth”
and who is long gone btw.
You were replying to me. I’m still here.
The military uses them for autonomous vehicles. There is no risk of loss of life involved if they fail. They also aren’t the only control mechanism.
Make him a meme
Well in this case.
The front really did fall off.
Looks like Stockton made the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors_killed_by_their_own_invention#MaritimeIt’s poetic that the last person in the maritime category is the architect of the Titanic, Thomas Andrews
His entry is right below one of the shipbuilders from the Titanic!
Apparently the debris found was “a landing frame and rear cover from the submersible”. So it sounds like they didn’t have to suffer slowly.
I’m surprised by the amount of people who thought they would die from running out of oxygen in 96 hours or whatever it was. At that depth the tiniest structural failure and that sardine can is going to blow into pieces, including the occupants.
They were dead days ago when they first went missing.
A few innocent people are the victims of one conman’s dream of selling titanic tours.Not sure I’d call him a con man, if he believed in it himself. He was on the ship, if I heard right.
Yes, there has been successful trips that he’s taken tourists down to the titanic and back. However, his track record isn’t rock solid. His original design wasn’t rated for the depths he was going. It wasn’t until a whistleblower came out (which he retaliated against by firing btw) that the submersible porthole was redesigned. Who knows if the “redesign” was actually rated for the depths he was travelling. All we know is that he “replaced” it.
This is the same person that said safety regulations stifle innovation. Yeah, regulations might slow down innovation but you know… they’re intended to keep people alive. The Titan wasn’t certified by any governing body to travel to the depths it was going.
He didn’t fully disclose to his travelers what they were getting themselves into. People say they had to sign a waiver. There’s a waiver I got to sign to a eat spicy chicken sandwich at a local restaurant joint. I got to sign a waiver to park my car in a parking lot. You think 100% of people actually read them? It’s just like software terms and conditions. Scroll to the bottom and accept.
Signing a waiver for a 9 dollar sandwich and a 150,000 dollar tour is much different.
If I’m spending that kind of money, I’m reading EVERYTHING.
