A growing number of instances (mainly of Mastodon so far) are signing an ‘Anti-Meta Fedi Pact’, pledging to block any instance owned by Meta in the fediverse.
I don’t know how big this will get or how effective it will be, but if you run a fediverse instance, you should take a look at this https://fedipact.online/
The last thing I personally want is reintroducing Silicon Valley cancer back into the Fediverse. Let’s keep them away. No ads, no algos, no bullshit.
I like the sound of this, Meta is a cancer on the Internet.
I just want to say, look at Google.
Google came into the browser scene with a far better track record for the common good and better intentions than meta.
Something like 96% of browsers are now downstream from Google’s code. Recently, Firefox got a lot of flak from companies for having a “pop-out” that let’s you do PIP with any video. The standard (guess who it’s written by) makes the feature optional, but there’s a “disable PIP” flag part of it that Firefox chose to ignore.
Suddenly, I need a plugin to spoof the user-agent, because sites are blocking Firefox. Even with that, things like Google maps have stopped working completely in Firefox. I’m ride or die on this issue so I’m not switching, but my family members I convinced to switch have abandoned ff.
The fediverse should be able to handle corporate involvement - but we said the same about the web. I’m not eager to test it.
If they get any fraction of the market, they’ll dictate extensions to the standard, then split us as groups are split between good suggestions, and those realizing we’re losing control. Meta will try to take over and monetize the network - that’s what a corporation is. Even if right now every single person there is doing it for the right reason, sooner rather than later it will start looking for where the money is
The fediverse is way too young and vulnerable right now… There’s going to be efforts to kill or control it, there’s no need to invite them in
Good
Now this is defederation I can get behind.
I won’t claim to defend Meta, but wouldn’t at least give them the benefit of the doubt until there’s details of the project a saner approach? We literally know nothing about it except it’s in the works.
Give meta the benefit of the doubt? Are you joking? We literally know exactly how awful they are in every area they touch.
Give Meta an inch they’ll take a mile. No quarter. No wait and see. No half measures. We don’t literally know nothing; we know Meta is involved. That’s enough for me to say no.
They’ll follow the Microsoft route, pretending to be for open standards, then extending the standard for only their apps and sites, and with sheer numbers and money they’ll grab a bunch of users who will come to expect the features and implementations they provide and then bam. No more fediverse.
Not. One. Inch.
Well yeah, but there isn’t any indication that they’re modifying the standard at all. ActivityPub is still it’s own thing that they will be presumably tapping into, what I get from the current info is they are just creating a kbin/Mastodon competitor which should be its own thing entirely.
there isn’t any indication that they’re modifying the standard
There is an indication they are Meta.
Any other info is superfluous. Their being Meta is an adequate reason to preemptively shun them.
I understand and share the negative sentiment towards them, but again, what it looks like they’re working on is a product that will connect to the Fediverse, it will not modify the ActivityPub protocol which is used for the open communication. From what I understand, any shenanigans they try to run would be limited to their instance, while we benefit from the added content they could provide.
I’m not saying let’s welcome them with open arms, I’m just saying it would be good to wait until we know anything about the product before we rush any decision, in the name of growing the Fediverse.
in the name of growing the Fediverse.
Perhaps then we should all federate with Gab and Truth and whatever instance DeSantis ends up spinning up to organize his brownshirts?
…in the name of growing the Fediverse, of course.If—as I believe you do—you disagree with that proposition, then perhaps you hold there are certain standards of behavior which once seen do not necessitate further waiting. I would question if that is indeed the case why you seemingly do not believe Meta has already crossed that line.
I understand your desire for “success”, “acceptance”. “More potential friends” on our these frothy FOSSy seas. I do. I get that.
You are not wrong to want more people to join up.Letting in Meta is not how you do that.
If you had a house party, and you wanted it "more bumpin’ " you might think the obvious answer is “More people = good so let in anyone who’s willing to attend.”
It is not.
Certain people—and specifically I’m thinking of Artie the Arsonist—need to be prevented from attending.
Not only should Artie and his shloshing gas can (which in fairness he has promised not to use) be turned away at the door, some of your trusted friends with guns should be stationed at either end of the street keeping Artie from coming anywhere near your party.
There should be a big giant, “ARTIES NOT ALLOWED” banner reassuring your guests (and future potential guests) that in addition to sweet tunes and chips, another reason to attend this party specifically is that they won’t be burned as they have been so many times by Artie and his friends.
Meta wanting in is not a sign of FOSS success.
We do not gain anything as the "not twitter"s, "not facebook"s of the world by allowing ourselves to be co-opted back into the sinking systems we escaped.This is an attack, and the very idea of waiting and seeing by itself is damaging to FOSS—the main selling point of which thus far has been an Artie-absent space. Even considering letting him get close enough to sniff because “…maybe he won’t reek of gas” is offputting to many and damages the most valuable asset the fediverse has: having nothing to do with Those Fuckos Over There.
Assent of what FOSS is doing by the brokers/shakers it was designed in opposition to cannot change FOSS’s value because THEY do not determine that.
The people who would sell your eyeballs out your skull and plant He Gets Us chips into your brain need you. You do not need them.
You’re comparing two different things though. Of course I do not want to federate with Gab or Truth, however that is because I do not want to federate with their users. You are saying we should not federate with Meta, but because of their admins, not their users.
Should we not federate with lemmy.ml because their admins are pro Russia? Or is there value in the interactions we can have with their users?
Is there not a tiny possibility that the users Meta brings have a net positive effect over the admins in their instance? As I said, we still don’t know since we have literally no info about this product. You might be right in saying they will bring over hate speech and such, but I do not think every Booky McBookface will find their way to the Fediverse, and if they do THEN we can take a decision on federating with them or not.
we have literally no info about this product.
That is flagrantly untrue. We know it is being made by Meta.
Not only is interacting with Meta qua interacting with Meta a harm to people who do it, a “wait and see” approach grants legitimacy to a known bad actor.
Are you of the opinion there is not a tiny possibility the heat given off by a fox might make the chickens in a hen house warmer?
You should still not even consider risking the death of all (or any) of your chickens.Is there not a tiny possibility a tumor might make somebody’s tits look bigger?
You still try to prevent people rubbing cobalt on your chest.Is there not a tiny possibility that … Meta brings … a net positive
No. There is not. 0% chance.
No. We know how Facebook is and what their intentions are.
*meta
No. Facebook. For me it will always be Facebook (company, not platform).
“Meta” is nothing more than an attempt to clean their image.
This is actually a really good point. And extend their reach into any sector they deem profit worthy. Google/Alphabet did it too
