[edit: I thank everyone for their comments and time. A lot of very interesting opinions and view points. Unfortunately also a lot of things that went away from the actual answer. So I’m thinking maybe this thread can be closed without deleting it?]

The more I hear people talk about it who aren’t cis-het men, the more I hear criticism about the concept. But so far, I’ve only heard people say that it’s stupid, that it’s not a thing, that it’s men’s own fault etc. But I’ve yet to understand where that criticism comes from. I don’t want to start a discussion on whether or not it’s real or not. I just want to understand where the critics are coming from.

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    There is one source.

    I recommend reading nurturing our humanity. Primates have two observable social systems. And they both exist in all societies along a spectrum.

    Domination and partnership.

    The more domination based a society, the more everybody suffers. Including those higher in the social hierarchy.

    Working class men, they are in a strange place because they have hierarchical status based on gender but not based on economic class. This makes it difficult for them to find solidarity with women. And thus more lonely in a system of loneliness.

    Communists would blame capitalism of course, and they’re not exactly wrong because capitalism is a domination-based system. Marx called this phenomena alienation.

    Feminists would blame patriarchy, and again they are not wrong it is a domination-based system.

    So on and so forth, but we can take a step back and look at ourselves as apes and see domination is the problem. The will to power.

    Buddhism calls this energy Mara, and would call the partnership energy Buddha nature.

    It’s all the same thing, it’s a strategy apes use to relate to each other and survive. Partnership is a better strategy. Assuming your goal is the health of society and the planet rather than personal gain.