• unexpected@forum.guncadindex.com
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    1 day ago

    Makes it even more clear to me that this doesn’t have anything to do with the drugs.

    A couple theories I’ve been mulling over is about it specifically being about Venezuela and an attack on a significant income stream of the individuals running the show over there.

    And maybe also some relation to a move against people in the CIA or maybe MI6 or others that maybe are supplying their black budgets like what USAID was doing? I mean… we know CIA is a major player in the cocaine drug game in central and south america. That has been documented for decades.

    My personal impression is that this is far too optimistic, but maybe explains some things. If Trump has the military on his side (or enough of it) then it could be a maybe. Hard to imagine that he wouldn’t have been assassinated already, though, if he really is trying to take out the CIA and more importantly, the MI6 connection as well.

    Of course the enemy of my enemy doesn’t need to be my friend… and this is probably a way too optimistic theory.

    What do ya’ll think?

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        22 hours ago

        Yea… but the drug markets are underground and include massive money laundering systems. It has often been claimed that the CIA and other black operations get funded this way.

        But aside from that… the financial machinery is down there. My understanding is that that is what the Panama Papers was largely about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers

        Like how you can pay the local newspaper to print something for you. They got the equipment and system already.

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      Yeah, China did this with Iran as well, didn’t do shit. But I guess it gets more people to like china, and view it as the next superpower which actually helps weaker countries, unlike America which just bullies Ukraine.

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        Unlike China which provides weapons and surveillance for Russia to kill Ukrainians.

        Fucking imperialist tankie fucks, you deserve to get your head caved in.

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            Russians are dying because Putin places his own vanity and desire for future “glory” over the lives of the Russian people. The was ends the second he calls off the invasion.

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              Do you really think the Russo-Ukrainian war is about “glory” and “vanity?” Russia has the upper-hand, they aren’t going to pack their bags and leave before their demands are met, namely the oblasts, NATO neutrality, and for Kiev to stop oppressing ethnic Russians living in Ukraine.

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                6 hours ago

                Yes, this is about vainglory. Ukraine was seeing membership in the EU and the EU mandated reforms that would have addressed issues for minorities. The principle problem was the question of minority groups having school taught in their native language. That was a specific reform mandated. Following the process would yield the desired outcome without any Russian citizens being thrown into a meatwave attack. How has this war benefited Russian-speakers? So many deaths and scarred bodies and souls. The payoff isn’t there. The proposition only favors vainglory because the current path is more harm than any alternative. Regarding NATO, neither Hungary nor Turkey would ever permit this to happen and everyone knows it. Admission into NATO requires 100% support for all existing nations. Russia knows this would never happen. It isn’t about NATO membership. Putin wants to restore the Russian empire and he wants to be recorded in the history books as the man who made this happen.

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                  Kiev already broke the Minsk Agreements that were meant to solve the issues of Ukrainian armament and oppression of ethnic Russians. There’s only so many times you can deliberately break international agreements before nobody takes you seriously. The Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics broke away a decade ago, and have been at war since.

                  As for Russia, what they gain is security. When diplomacy fails, they are taking the millitant route. I ask you, if this is for “vainglory,” why limit it to the Donbass region? Russia has proven capable of fighting an attrition war that Ukraine cannot, why not go for other areas in Europe? The narrative that Putin just wants to restart the Russian Empire, as though he wants to become the Tsar, is ridiculous. Not only is the Russian population benefiting massively from strengthened ties with China, it’s populace increasingly favors socialism over capitalism:

                  There’s no “meat grinder” here, Russia has been strengthened economically, and appears to be meeting its stated goals. There’s no backing to the “empire” narrative, of Russian conquest of Europe.

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                  Exactly, lmao!

                  Like, I can empathize with the anti-war crowd. Why on Earth do they keep saying Russia can turn around and stop? That doesn’t make any sense, they have the means to continue and their goals still haven’t been met, so the war is going to continue until they are. Shouldn’t the anti-war crowd desire a swift surrender from Ukraine to minimize further bloodshed?