• ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    15 hours ago

    good on that guy for noticing and changing.

    unlike some hardware manufacturer out there.

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      19 hours ago

      I see what you’re saying, but the fact that it can be ambiguous is actually what makes it so useful to fascist organizers.

      They thrive on phrases that allow them to wink at each other when they want to, but claim innocence if someone calls them out.

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        Isn’t that something done by any group being oppressed and not in power, regardless of what kind of cause they are for?
        e.g. those who had capoeira and similar things that had martial arts disguised as other stuff, back when they couldn’t practice partial arts.

        Though I find it hard to understand why they still have to wink now, when there are literal state-sanctioned groups of armed people-robbers around, who are also fine getting filmed in the act.
        When multiple countries’ governments have switched from turning a blind eye, to actually endorsing such actions, what more are these groups trying to accomplish by using these deniability tactics?

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      Agreed, I think the author’s feeling towards this is commendable in spirit, but to let a generic phrase be forever attached to a political movement in any setting is a bit much, even if it’s infamously memorable, it doesn’t belong to Nazis.
      Still, it’s just a name change, so, aside from a few lines of code to change, it doesn’t badly affect anyone. All power to the author

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    19 hours ago

    And this, people, is why we should extensively teach fascist and colonialist history. Bet >90% of Americans don’t know this. Many don’t seem to have an issue with Stephen Miller’s Nazi rhetoric, or Trump speeches often suspiciously sounding like the ones from a certain Austrian painter. They simply don’t recognise simple patterns like this.

    I don’t think the author is at fault at all. I would rather ask their educators about what the fuck they were doing that this person doesn’t know these words.

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      15 hours ago

      Exactly. Luckily, back in high school, my IB History class spent a good couple months just learning about authoritarian rulers and their tactics.

      I especially like pulling out Pinochet because he’s a clear and relatively recent example of right wing authoritarianism, manipulation of existing religious structures, and US government support of authoritarian regimes that help contextualize its trend towards authoritarianism.

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      17 hours ago

      Bet >90% of Americans don’t know this.

      Considering that pcmr (PC Master Race) is now an acceptable term on reddit and now elsewhere, I’d say you were right.

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        When that whole thing started up Nazis seemed a lot less “real” imo. I liked it better when they occupied a similar space as pirates and ninjas…

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      I don’t know that I agree with that. Nazis suck, but just because they are trending at the moment doesn’t seem like a great reason to spend time dwelling in their ideology. Lots of people have done lots of ghastly things and you can’t unknow some of them. And now they live rent free in your head on the off chance someone’s words collide with an old phrase.

      I don’t have a great answer, but I would have been happier if we taught people to recognize what fascism actually is and how to stop it rather than focusing on the icons and word choice of one set of awful people.

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        Tangential: Recently, I was talking with a friend of how in Colombia, schools don’t teach much of recent events of Colombian history (Colombia has been in a pseudo-civil war for almost 80 years), but we learn A LOT about WWII, Vietnam war, Korean war, cold war, etc.

        Given that the Goverment has done extremely nasty things in these decades, I’m somewhat convinced this is intentional.

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          schools don’t teach much of recent (say, last 100 years) events

          but we learn A LOT about WWII, Vietnam war, Korean war, cold war, etc.

          I’m so confused

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            We don’t learn much about recent events of Colombian history, but a lot of international history.

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      In defense of the author and their education… They’re Brazilian so English probably isn’t their native language, and their history education was almost certainly in Portuguese. I don’t think it’s necessarily an indictment of their education that they weren’t taught about the English translation of a German phrase, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to apply the same standards of subtext awareness to native and non-native speakers either.

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        I also don’t think it makes sense that people who haven’t even taken history as a major, need to be taught each and every phrase that was used by a fanatic group.

        A lot of these words, phrases and symbols tend to be taken from stuff that meant well in the past or even now. See swastika, svaha[1].

        Just knowing those terms, while might help prevent them from being used in accidental cases, is not as important as being able to recognise the pattern of peoples’ actual actions.
        Because a group that has copied stuff from other traditions, can always do that again with other sources, to replace that stuff.

        It’s important that out of history, we make sure to identify the part that we actually need to be against, which is the specific actions that cause grief back then, instead of just picking each and every unrelated thing, which any new group can simply replace, while also getting to keep the original grievous actions.
        This is also to prevent us from getting our willpower drained from always getting outraged by multiple instances of minor similarities that are much more probable to be a false +ive, to have the power to push back when we find the actual problem creators.


        1. which I am not sure of the Nazi reference, but it was being chanted by people being portrayed as Nazis in a game ↩︎

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          Which game may I ask? Was it in an occult setting? If yes then it was likely just a generic chant and has no fascist connotations beyond it. If not then I will have to see the scene in the game to dive deeper.

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      To take this a step further, wolf-whistles (neo-Nazi dog-whistles) are often intentionally vague, and spotting them is important in recognizing cryptofascists because they will try and claim plausible deniability, “oh leftists call everyone a nazi” is something open nazis say to downplay themselves to other reactionaries. They know that their beliefs are still unspeakably disgusting to most societies, they tend to disguise it, downplay it and rationalize it.

      [1]

      Sometimes it’s language and phrases itself, you can often see cryptofascists use the same phrases, euphemisms or odd terms as famous fascist speeches or texts, whether as an intentional subtle allusion or just unwittingly echoing what they’ve read. And that’s where they’ll chuck in terms like “Final solution” in memes.

      Other times, it’s more direct coded language and symbols. It’s probably less unknown these days, but some common examples of codes are the sonnenrad ‘Black Sun’ symbol, Nazi-era pseudo-runes (not to be confused with legitimate historical Germanic runes!), the numbers 14 and 88, and more.

      • Other times, it’s more direct coded language and symbols. It’s probably less unknown these days, but some common examples of codes are the sonnenrad ‘Black Sun’ symbol, Nazi-era pseudo-runes (not to be confused with legitimate historical Germanic runes!), the numbers 14 and 88, and more.

        I know someone who used 88 in a username on accident, not knowing how cryptonazis use it. He found out because he got called out for it and asked to explain. After finding out what 88 can mean, he changed his username because he didn’t want to be mistaken as a nazi. TBF, his initial reaction was “wtf, why would someone suggest I’m a nazi and want to ban me because I have some numbers at the end of my name?” I think some people take it for granted that others are aware of these things.

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            It sucks that they take otherwise normal things and ruin them.
            Is it safe to use the OK hand signal again?

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              Yep. Although…

              Is it safe to use the OK hand signal again?

              Words and symbols cannot be divorced from context. Like @SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de hinted at, putting a date of birth in a username is common and there are so many other meanings for these numbers so it would be ridiculous to jump down someone’s throat for simply using them, or using common gestures. Unless that friend in the story was also saying some reactionary things in their comments, I think it’s silly and careless that someone challenged them on their name.

              I been told by some international friends that one of the political flags over in Australia, the Eureka flag, has a similar situation where both trade unions and white nationalists try to claim its legacy, so it’s common to see in both the pro and anti immigration rallies. Context is what makes it either a potential nationalist/racist dogwhistle or a symbol of workers’ rights.

  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Stuff like swaybg, despite being very well built, only support setting a single wallpaper on startup. This means, if you want to change the wallpaper during runtime, you must pkill the daemon

    So this…this is the power of Wayland

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      …have you actually used Wayland? If you’re using Plasma or GNOME, its indistinguishable from X11 except it actually has a slightly more (inexplicable tbh) polished feel to it.

      This comment is incredibly misinformed

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        I use both ATM, and you definitely feel the unpolished rough edges of Wayland in multi monitor modes.

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          In what way? I’ve been using triple monitors for close to a decade now and my KDE switched from X11 to Wayland at some point without me noticing, so I’m wondering what I missed.

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            I have a surface pro 6 with mini display port out. The adjustment when plugging in the monitor is sometimes not remembered, but I believe that’s a gnome problem.

            The real issue is that even today, some apps (Firefox, gedit, some terminals) don’t adjust their scaling to the new screen, which results in these apps having really, really microscopic text or super zoomed-in when they move from one to the other screen. Also the apps don’t sit nicely between one monitor and the next. And I think this might be a gnome thing, but moving apps between virtual desktops with both monitors plugged in is very weird, some move, some don’t.

            I work in Linux as a daily driver for work and personal. I don’t care what the tools are, but they need to work and stay out of the way. Right now, Wayland implementation of multi monitor for my hardware is too much bother, I’ll try it again in a year.

            I have no objections to Wayland itself, but I value the kind of stability xfce gives me, which is stable, predictable, and gets out of the way. Right now, on my hardware, Wayland/gnome is not there.

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              Something KDE has done seems to have resolved the issues I used to have with DPI related scaling problems in Wayland. Once Plasma 6 hit, it’s been nothing but rapid improvements with Wayland as a focus and man does it feel nice.

              That said, there’s virtually no downside to still using X unless you have explicit display features you need from Wayland like HDR or the per-display scaling. Xfce is stupid lightweight and still my default for anything where battery life is a benefit.

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              Ah, my monitors are all identical and stay plugged in all the time, so it’s a much less complicated use-case than yours.

              I do have one issue where, because I picked the wrong 9070XT on launch day and couldn’t exchange it due to lack of availability, one of my monitors is on HDMI instead of DisplayPort and takes annoyingly longer to wake from sleep or change modes than the other two. But I think that’s more likely a hardware or driver problem than a Wayland one.

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          17 hours ago

          Really? I have two 4k monitors, one being 160hz and I find they’re handled way better by Wayland over X11. Even fractional scaling is perfect now

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        Yeah I tried it, out of the gate my favourite WM - i3 isn’t supported.

        I tried some of the other WMs, and they all kinda sucked imo.

        I tried Gnome but it didn’t work for me when I tried using guake.

        I also had issues with Spectacle on Plasma (captured area is just plain white).

        In both - OBS didn’t work properly either (black screen with some capture methods, massive lag with others) and games were a bit laggy (stutters/frame time spikes).

        Last one could be that Wayland doesn’t play nice with the proprietary Nvidia driver or that unlike with Xorg, Proton/SteamPlay dont support launching a gamescope nested session from a Wayland session (or didn’t back when I tried it) which usually ensures silky smooth performance.

        So yeah, this was a while back but.

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          i3 doesn’t work with Wayland because it’s an X11 WM… You wouldn’t complain about X11 because Sway doesn’t work on it.

          Btw, Sway is a drop-in Wayland replacement for i3 if you want to move to Wayland. i3 configs work with Sway; it’s an i3 clone.

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      No, it’s a limitation with swaybg so they created a tool that doesn’t have that limitation.

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    Now if only the GIMP maintainers would come to their senses.

    Edit: corrected “it” to “if”.