Bro… There is no excuse to have a computer from 2014 anymore for GAMES unless you only want to do light stuff/emulators on it. Like, man, just search on used marketplaces, a B350/B450 motherboard for Ryzen processors costs less than 50 bucks there and they all have TPM capabilities, and you can get a R5 3600 for like 50 bucks 😭
Hell, I’m a fucking unemployed artist from Brazil who managed to get a mid-range PC THIS YEAR!
Secure Boot and TPM are literally two fucking hash checks on boot. Ya’ll kids really fucking need some technological literacy. If you’re too lazy to do it AND too paranoid to even be INTERESTED in knowing what it fucking does you should be nowhere near a damn desktop.
Sorry, I’m not the one having a literal toddler-like meltdown cause a game asked for two hardware requirements you can fix in 15 seconds, and if you really don’t want to, don’t fucking buy or play it. Dunce.
You’re the one ignoring the point. This isn’t just about “two hardware requirements”. Again, exercise causality and maybe read the comment (and the thread) before replying.
e: Also you can stop making up a guy to get mad at, we can all see what OP said, if that’s who you’re referring to
As much as I think that the decision is a bad thing and the justification is extremely shaky, I do find it very odd that anybody is using Windows 11 at all without those things because I was having a hell of a time trying to get it to work even with those things enabled. Granted Windows 11 is also just a piece of shit so who knows?
Sorry to see the downvotes on your comments explaining the technical stuff. You aren’t wrong, but people are cultish and like dog piling.
The entire idea of Secure Boot is to verify the boot chain using signature checks to ensure that nothing “unauthorized” runs in the boot process before control is handed off to the kernel. It’s meant to stop lower bootloader stages from silently modifying or hooking later stages.
In theory, it’s supposed to stop rootkits from being able to exist above the OS, hiding themselves while stealing information or influencing programs. In practice, there’s a shit load of badly implemented EFI programs and bootloaders that are signed and later turned out to be vectors for arbitrary code execution (this is why you need the DBX list to be updated frequently).
Cynically, Microsoft probably came up with Secure Boot because that whole rootkit-and-fuck-with-the-kernel thing used to be one of the ways people cracked Windows 7.
As for TPM 2.0, the whole point of it being used for anticheat is because it stores an immutable log of the Secure Boot process and attests to the integrity of the system. If I installed my own Secure Boot certificates and rootkitted Windows for the sole purpose of cheating, the TPM would see that a self-signed executable was used during boot and refuse to say the system was unmodified.
Edit: The downvote button is not a “I disagree” button. There is an actual technical reason why Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 are used in anticheat crap. I don’t agree with it or that they demand it as a requirement to even open the game, but it’s not some grand conspiracy to make you buy new PC hardware.
Bro… There is no excuse to have a computer from 2014 anymore for GAMES unless you only want to do light stuff/emulators on it. Like, man, just search on used marketplaces, a B350/B450 motherboard for Ryzen processors costs less than 50 bucks there and they all have TPM capabilities, and you can get a R5 3600 for like 50 bucks 😭
Hell, I’m a fucking unemployed artist from Brazil who managed to get a mid-range PC THIS YEAR!
Missing the fucking point- you should not give up absolute control of your machine at the lowest level to play a shit game
Secure Boot and TPM are literally two fucking hash checks on boot. Ya’ll kids really fucking need some technological literacy. If you’re too lazy to do it AND too paranoid to even be INTERESTED in knowing what it fucking does you should be nowhere near a damn desktop.
Are you dense? This is about it’s anticheat, the reason for requiring TPM. You need some causality lessons
Sorry, I’m not the one having a literal toddler-like meltdown cause a game asked for two hardware requirements you can fix in 15 seconds, and if you really don’t want to, don’t fucking buy or play it. Dunce.
You’re the one ignoring the point. This isn’t just about “two hardware requirements”. Again, exercise causality and maybe read the comment (and the thread) before replying.
e: Also you can stop making up a guy to get mad at, we can all see what OP said, if that’s who you’re referring to
As much as I think that the decision is a bad thing and the justification is extremely shaky, I do find it very odd that anybody is using Windows 11 at all without those things because I was having a hell of a time trying to get it to work even with those things enabled. Granted Windows 11 is also just a piece of shit so who knows?
You are missing the point entirely. This shit should not be required to play a fucking video game.
You’re supposed to have both on anyways regardless of a game requiring it or not.
Sorry to see the downvotes on your comments explaining the technical stuff. You aren’t wrong, but people are cultish and like dog piling.
The entire idea of Secure Boot is to verify the boot chain using signature checks to ensure that nothing “unauthorized” runs in the boot process before control is handed off to the kernel. It’s meant to stop lower bootloader stages from silently modifying or hooking later stages.
In theory, it’s supposed to stop rootkits from being able to exist above the OS, hiding themselves while stealing information or influencing programs. In practice, there’s a shit load of badly implemented EFI programs and bootloaders that are signed and later turned out to be vectors for arbitrary code execution (this is why you need the DBX list to be updated frequently).
Cynically, Microsoft probably came up with Secure Boot because that whole rootkit-and-fuck-with-the-kernel thing used to be one of the ways people cracked Windows 7.
As for TPM 2.0, the whole point of it being used for anticheat is because it stores an immutable log of the Secure Boot process and attests to the integrity of the system. If I installed my own Secure Boot certificates and rootkitted Windows for the sole purpose of cheating, the TPM would see that a self-signed executable was used during boot and refuse to say the system was unmodified.
Edit: The downvote button is not a “I disagree” button. There is an actual technical reason why Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 are used in anticheat crap. I don’t agree with it or that they demand it as a requirement to even open the game, but it’s not some grand conspiracy to make you buy new PC hardware.