It just feels very defeatist and non-committal, aking to supporting the status quo since the protests can’t promise socialism. I just find the mindset odd.
I’ve probbaly misunderstood the reasoning but nobody has really explained it either, just made quips about how these protests are run by USA or something.
Hey whats wrong with syrian socialism? And so what if mossad is involved as has been extensively reported and they even said it on their x account, that doesnt mean that they dont want the best socialism for iran. But to be clear, in magic land absolutely, then the whole world would be certainly not capitalist.
its interesting how many people are willing to disregard the israeli hand in this. You may have forgotten, but not so long ago iran almist had nuclear wmds, according to netanyahu, now do you remember last time what that looked like, in iraq? Yeah the israelies we willingly trying to make that happen to iran, and now they so much care for iranian people of course. They even held a protest, not against the genocide mind you, but against the cruel gvmt of iran.
I think you totally misunderstood. I’m saying of course Israel and USA, enemies of Iran’s current leadership are going to help the protests and that in itself imo shouldn’t be a reason to dismiss those protesting and defend the status quo. If the people want to take down the conservative government or the theocratic system then I’m all for it, it doesn’t really matter imo who supports them in that effort. To me that doesn’t taint the action of people taking down the system
Indeed, and thats a big if, given that the progovernment protests also against foreign interference were by orders of magnitude larger. Look its impossible to pretend to care for iranians, if you trust us and israel in their intentions. Thats simmilar to say if nazis helped russians overthrow their soviet gvmt. Now i wonder did some russian disident make such a claim?
And again noone is defending the gvmt for the sake of it. What the point is, that foreign backed coup, like the one in syria, would give horrendous results, and it would help far worse governments like the israels genociders. Also in no way would this get iran closer to good defense. After they get nukes, then they will be safe.
But dont get me wrong, under shah absolutely i would have supported the revolutionary gvmt. They are at least iranian, not foreign owned. And they were indeed revolutionary.
Who out there is trusting the US and Israel? I’m just saying them being on one side doesn’t mean the other side is the right one. If Iranians want to take down their theocratic conservative government I’m all for it, no matter who decided to support it.
because replacing an internal semi dictatorial gvmt with foreign engineered collapse doesnt produce freedom, it produces Iraq, Syria, libya etc
its simmilar to argument that nazis offered russians a chance against stalin. technically true, catastrophically immoral, and lethal in practice
I agree if we ignore context then no issue. i mean you respond to none of my points, this is like talking at a wall. Reread my previous comment and respond to what i actually wrote. For example whats wrong with th syriam socialism? Why dont you appreciate that gvmt? Didnt syrians want it?
also your claim rests on some iranian people, yet the progvmt demonstrations were far larger. Can you explain this issue?
Sure, we can expect socialism like they have in syria now. No one is supporting the current regime for the sake of it. Thats a strawman.
It just feels very defeatist and non-committal, aking to supporting the status quo since the protests can’t promise socialism. I just find the mindset odd.
I’ve probbaly misunderstood the reasoning but nobody has really explained it either, just made quips about how these protests are run by USA or something.
Hey whats wrong with syrian socialism? And so what if mossad is involved as has been extensively reported and they even said it on their x account, that doesnt mean that they dont want the best socialism for iran. But to be clear, in magic land absolutely, then the whole world would be certainly not capitalist.
its interesting how many people are willing to disregard the israeli hand in this. You may have forgotten, but not so long ago iran almist had nuclear wmds, according to netanyahu, now do you remember last time what that looked like, in iraq? Yeah the israelies we willingly trying to make that happen to iran, and now they so much care for iranian people of course. They even held a protest, not against the genocide mind you, but against the cruel gvmt of iran.
I think you totally misunderstood. I’m saying of course Israel and USA, enemies of Iran’s current leadership are going to help the protests and that in itself imo shouldn’t be a reason to dismiss those protesting and defend the status quo. If the people want to take down the conservative government or the theocratic system then I’m all for it, it doesn’t really matter imo who supports them in that effort. To me that doesn’t taint the action of people taking down the system
Indeed, and thats a big if, given that the progovernment protests also against foreign interference were by orders of magnitude larger. Look its impossible to pretend to care for iranians, if you trust us and israel in their intentions. Thats simmilar to say if nazis helped russians overthrow their soviet gvmt. Now i wonder did some russian disident make such a claim?
And again noone is defending the gvmt for the sake of it. What the point is, that foreign backed coup, like the one in syria, would give horrendous results, and it would help far worse governments like the israels genociders. Also in no way would this get iran closer to good defense. After they get nukes, then they will be safe.
But dont get me wrong, under shah absolutely i would have supported the revolutionary gvmt. They are at least iranian, not foreign owned. And they were indeed revolutionary.
Who out there is trusting the US and Israel? I’m just saying them being on one side doesn’t mean the other side is the right one. If Iranians want to take down their theocratic conservative government I’m all for it, no matter who decided to support it.
because replacing an internal semi dictatorial gvmt with foreign engineered collapse doesnt produce freedom, it produces Iraq, Syria, libya etc
its simmilar to argument that nazis offered russians a chance against stalin. technically true, catastrophically immoral, and lethal in practice
I agree if we ignore context then no issue. i mean you respond to none of my points, this is like talking at a wall. Reread my previous comment and respond to what i actually wrote. For example whats wrong with th syriam socialism? Why dont you appreciate that gvmt? Didnt syrians want it?
also your claim rests on some iranian people, yet the progvmt demonstrations were far larger. Can you explain this issue?
Less defeatist than just mindlessly supporting regime change again even though the last two dozen times were horrific catastrophes.