It was banned on Reddit because it is racist, hatefull and spread Conspiracies.

In my new community I expect the exclution of racist communities. It is easy now with defederation. Nazis can do whatever they want on their instances, but the instances I want to be part of should not amplify their shit and flush it into our timelines.

The instance-admin of !thedonald@sh.itjust.works did not reply to my message. Big instances seem not to defederate with them.

The new TD may not be a success, the point is not to give Nazis a platform like it is happening now. Fans of TD are racists.

Where are the instances that show face against racism?

edit: to contact the admins: @donut @TheDude @smorks

edit2: @TheDude deleted the community :)

  • tookmyname@lemmy.ml
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    I think deleting the sub is the right call simply because it’s trying to replace a community that did enough in the past to deserve a ban on any platform.

    Tired of all the calls for defederation though.

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    I just don’t get it.

    Block the c/TheDonald community. That’s it. That’s all you need to do.

    When it gets no visits, no views, and only it’s handful of users meme-ing each other, it’ll die. One of the big reasons TheDonald took off on Reddit was because of all the attention it got.

    So, don’t give them attention. Don’t feed the trolls.

    I’m not saying to tolerate neo-nazis. But running from them isn’t exactly a time proven strategy, either. They will exist, and it’s up to all of us to remind them that their views are garbage.

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    Hey all,

    This community is being reviewed and will likely be a discussion point to in our Agora community where we discuss about issues like this as a community.

    Post that are breaking rules will be removed. If its a regular occurrence so will the TheDonald community. Please continue reporting inappropriate posts and its difficult to maintain visibility on everything that is going on at all times.

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

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      Reading through the replies and I have to say ya’ll don’t take prisoners here. sheesh.

      Anyway, I went through went through the community in question and reviewed not only the posts in the community and the comments made by the mods of the community and they weren’t aligned with the kind of negativity I want to see on the instance. I have since purged the community and the mods.

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      If they were acting in good faith they would not have started in such trappings. The Donald has an ugly history and it started with harmless memes. Will the next antisemitic tiki-torch march organized on your instance? The next 1/6? It’s not worth the risk.

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        It’s also not worth giving them attention to get started. While I mostly agree with the OP, I’d rather they just languish in obscurity for now. Come back to it if/when they become a problem.

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    I don’t give a shit what they do.

    I can block them, just like every other community I don’t want in my timeline.

    Hopefully at some point, if we see entire servers being a problem and not just the one community on that server,

    we can have the ability to block the server in its entirety, even our server doesn’t decide to de-fed with them.

    Ideally, kbin will allow us to decide for ourselves what servers/communities to block instead of deciding for us.

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    If you don’t like something, there is a block feature. It is good that the fediverse gains some diversity instead of staying an echochamber.

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    FYI you can block a community. And I’m not a fan of echo-chambers. Whether you like Donald or not, I believe that as long as the content is not illegal, users should just block that community if they don’t wish to see or amplify their posts. You’re merely reinforcing their belief that they’re being “persecuted” on the internet.

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    I wouldn’t de-federate sh.itjust.works for that now. But stuff like this doesn’t look good and the “Just ignore it bro” crowd shows that they never had to deal with organized harassment themselves. The_Donald wasn’t just a harmless sub with a little bit of trolling, it was responsible for extreme radicalization and people died because of it. The reality is that such hate groups never stay in their place and behave everywhere else. They brigade and harass every time. Should the community grow and attract more people, it’s just a disaster waiting to happen. People are responsible for their own instance and are free to choose whatever they want but that’s the same for other servers if they should decide to de-federate.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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      If it develops into something that breaks the instance’s rules, it should be shut down. Until then, don’t just assume because of the name that it’s going to break the rules.

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    I think this type of posts will have an opposite impact to what we want, we are just giving it the attention it needs to become what it was on Reddit, my recommendation? Block it immediately.

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      I had no idea it existed so I went ahead and subscribed. I like to get my news from across the spectrum.

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    Defederating from an entire instance for one community seems a bit overblown tbh. Blocking would prob be effective enough. That said, beehaw will likely be most proactive in removing td nonsense from its feed

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      It’s not overblown. It’s sending a message to the admins of that instance.

      Blocking the community itself is the smallest Band-Aid in the world. The kinds of users who join that instance for that community aren’t going to be quarantined to just that community.

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    I just preemptively blocked the community for my account. I’d recommend everyone do the same until, and if they prove to be a problem.
    I think instead of calling for pre-blocks or defederation of entire instances, we have to be vigilant and keep a close eye on the discussions going on around us.

    I’m saying this not because I’m an “enlightened centrist” living in a delusion of tolerance or a fascist in disguise. I am as left leaning, antifascist, and antiauthoritarian as they get. I’m just saying this as I know from experience that there’s no real way to eliminate people with bigoted views from our communities other than on an individual basis.

    Ban an entire instance, you’ll still have to block the individuals if they come one by one to stir shit up on your turf. Just skip the first part and go for the individual communities and users. They will simply find each other and form groups, as instances or otherwise anyway.

    I know it’s not ideal, but there’s no real way to prevent these fascist groups from forming anywhere there’s a large enough number of people. We can only block our own interaction with them and form counter groups, and actively fight against their bigotry.

    I believe this is the sad truth we all have to live with, at least for the time being, because I can’t see defederation as an effective tool.

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      This is a fantastic comment. Defederation just causes more problems, as counterintuitive as that seems.

      The threadiverse as a whole has a great number of smart, reasonable people. I would like to believe that we can build a system that allows us to flourish and them to simply exist.

      But if we can’t then we always have the option

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        True, and I thought of that as well, but I’ll just have to take the chance that 1 of those 16 people is like you said because I don’t want to have anything to do with the other 15

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          Your numbers may be backwards though, that group of people aren’t really early adopters

          Plus they’ve been banned for a while and have a few platforms of their own by now

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            Well anyone who doesn’t support that community should either upvote the post or not vote at all I don’t care if this post gives that community attention, let the users that support Trump go over there so that we know where they are. Makes it easier to get rid of all of them at once.

            I just want to be proactive, so if my blockhammer hits someone who is not in favor of that community thats their problem but really I am not a power user so neither of us would miss out on anything anyways.

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    Antifa members have commited actual crimes, including some that costed lives, and supported those who did so. They use terror tactics on a regular basis coercing and silencing others. Even though I think their behavior is more fascistic than any current far right organization, I don’t think they should be banned or silenced. In any case, I don’t expect them to be banned here in any shape or form because they support and enforce the message currently approved by every major public institution and corporation.