I’ll start by saying that I would say “Yyyyeah, and one of the first cellphones and also the very first 0G telephone service (Altai) was made in the Soviet Union under socialism, go figure”. What would you say?

  • DylanMc6 [any, any]@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    9 hours ago

    Socialist democracy allows for capitalism, as long as the government protects its people from the capitalist tendancy to turn into an oligarchy.

    Are you talking about market socialism?

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      8 hours ago

      Sorta, depending on your exact definition.

      More of a Lassalle flavour of socialism than Marx, at the very least.

      Pragmatically, state-less communism is a utopia reliant on all members following its principles. A state is required to defend against greed, both from the outside as from within.

      Wwhether you call it market socialism or social democracy, the concept of a state limits capitalism to serve its people first, while also granting as much freedom possible by “allowing” capitalism, seems to be the closest one can get to Marxism while still defending against tyranny.

      Society is a living thing and must be able to both change and defend itself. Socialist states are prone to tyranny from within, where as pure communist utopia has little to no defense from foreign entities. A democratic government in service of the people is the best way I’m aware of to achieve the core socialist principles.