From a perspective of how hard it is to subdue

Edit: sorry for info-dumping guys. Constitutions are my special imrerest and I wanted to hear other people’s thoughts.

  • Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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    19 hours ago

    Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms would get a zero. There’s the “Notwithstanding Clause” that effectively nullifies the entire document at the discretion of any provincial government that wants to violate the Charter. The entire thing is basically meaningless with that loophole in place.

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      11 hours ago

      The notwithstanding clause can’t negate any part of the constitution, but that is a distinction without a difference. That said, it does make it easy to call any politician who uses it a slimy piece of shit and have something to refer to for why you believe that. Not that I would ever call a politician a slimy piece of shit - our slander laws in Canada do not have a clause to use the truth as a defense.

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        11 hours ago

        True, but…it can be used to negate all of your personal freedoms and legal rights, so…close enough.

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      18 hours ago

      Yes, Canada’s Notwithstanding clauses have also seemed like stupidity to me. That said, democracy with even a toothless constitution seems to be possible, as demonstrated by the UK. I guess the question is whether Canada has the same political environment that has made it work in the UK for so long

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        16 hours ago

        Their assessment of the charter of rights and freedoms is nonsense.

        We have one of the stronger constitutions in the world, one that actually provides positive rights for it’s citizens, not just negative ones

        I.e. American rights are all framed as the government not doing something to you, Canadian rights also include ones that force the government to do things for you, like provide health care and clean drinking water. It doesn’t mean the government always does, but our courts are far better at holding our governments to account for functioning the way that normal people expect them to.

        The notwithstanding clause is problematic, but it is not the death knell that post is making it out to be.