• howmuchlonger@lemmy.org
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    19 hours ago

    The people of Ukraine don’t want to be part of Russia. Just like the people of Taiwan don’t want to be part of China. The people of Palestine don’t want to be part of Israel either.

    Maybe if all the ruling class would fuck off, we would finally have a nice world.

    Fuck America. Fuck China. Fuck Russia. Fuck Israel. Fuck every ruler.

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      16 hours ago

      The people of Ukraine don’t want to be part of Russia.

      That’s not what the people of Dontesk and Luhansk say

      Fuck America. Fuck China. Fuck Russia. Fuck Israel. Fuck every ruler.

      I don’t have words for this level of political illiteracy. Fuck fire, fuck water, fuck cancer, fuck chemo

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      19 hours ago

      The people of Ukraine don’t want to be part of Russia.

      National sentiment follows material conditions. The Donbas has resisted Kyiv since 2014 after facing systemic discrimination and artillery strikes. That resistance exists because NATO expansion and Western capital transformed Ukraine into a buffer zone for imperialist competition. The workers and peasants there fight against a comprador regime backed by foreign finance.

      Maybe if all the ruling class would fuck off, we would finally have a nice world.

      What no class analysis does. The state is the organized power of the dominant class. Liberation requires the proletariat to seize state power, dismantle bourgeois ownership, and direct production toward social need. Only then does class distinction disappear (when only one class remains after the rest are destroyed inthe class struggle).

      Fuck America. Fuck China. Fuck Russia. Fuck Israel. Fuck every ruler.

      This is petty bourgeois fantasy. It mistakes states for abstract oppressors instead of analyzing which classes control them and for what purpose. Actually existing socialist states break Western capital monopoly, defend national sovereignty, and create material conditions for working class organization. Lumpen condemnation of all states without class analysis serves imperialist narratives, not revolution. Real transformation comes through mass organization, state power, and socialist construction. Please try move beyond the tyranny of bedtime.

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      19 hours ago

      So russia taking preventive action against a country putting nukes on its border is the same as israel going on a genocide against palestinians?

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        Ukraine gave up all of its nuclear weapons in the 1990s under the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, transferring them to Russia and joining the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear state.

        So by your own words, anything the US does to Cuba is totally cool because of nukes a long time ago. Clown.

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          19 hours ago

          May i remember you that more than 3 decades have passed since 1990? Also, comparing Cuba to Ukraine is simply dishonest. You dont prove a point other than you are arguing in bad faith

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            19 hours ago

            You’re the one saying nukes. Are you having trouble keeping the context? Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for blueberry pie

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              18 hours ago

              Do you really think NATO would be treatening a country that have a nuclear arsenal with something else other than nukes?

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                18 hours ago

                I’m pointing out how Ukraine has no nukes despite your false claim. If you want to make the claim, show me evidence from a non-biased source. But we both know you’re just making that up.

                No one is going to nuke anyone.

                (Except maybe North Korea)

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                  18 hours ago

                  North korea will nuke someone, despite the fact it never did it before. But the country who nuked another country (twice, btw) wont because they said so. If tell you I’m Lebron James will you belive it too?

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                    18 hours ago

                    So just to be clear, nothing can happen unless it has happened before? I wanna make sure this is what you think so I can use it in this conversation.