An Israeli news report claims that the Netanyahu government has offered a raft of proposals to entice Egypt to open its doors to two million displaced Palestinians, despite Cairo's rejection

An Israeli news report claims that the Netanyahu government has offered a raft of proposals to entice Egypt to open its doors to two million displaced Palestinians, despite Cairo’s rejection

  • sndmn@lemmy.caEnglish
    8017·
    1 year ago

    Nope. No ethnic cleansing going on at all. Not a bit.

    • DarkGamer@kbin.social
      4343·
      1 year ago

      I don’t know if you’re aware of the historical context regarding claims of ethnic cleansing in this conflict, Israel has shown a lot more restraint than Palestinian forces did when the shoe was on the other foot:

      “For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews’ return here impossible”

      “The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion. I Knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jewish populations who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty. I embarked, therefore on shelling of the quarter with mortars creating harassment and destruction. Only for days after our entry into Jerusalem, the Jewish Quarter become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it. As the down of May 28th was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged in convulsive cloud-a cloud of death and agony” -Abdullah el Tell, a commander of the Arab Legion
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem#Islamization_of_Jerusalem_under_Jordanian_rule

      When Jerusalem and the West Bank were annexed by Jordan, (A belligerent fighting for the Palestinians against Israel in 1948,) it was immediately ethnically cleansed:

      In 1950 Jordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and in 1954 granted Jordanian nationality to its non-Jewish residents who had been Palestinian nationals before 15 May 1948. During the nineteen years of Jordanian rule in the West Bank, a third of the Jewish Quarter’s buildings were demolished. According to a complaint Israel made to the United Nations, all but one of the thirty-five Jewish houses of worship in the Old City were destroyed. The synagogues were razed or pillaged and stripped and their interiors used as hen-houses or stables.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Jordan#Jordan_relations_with_Israel

      Today there are no Jewish citizens of Jordan.

      Not that this makes reciprocity okay, but I think people should be aware there’s there’s a history of driving people off their land and destroying their structures by both parties in this conflict. I find the irony in these historical parallels to be incredible and can’t help but notice it’s curious that Israel is being held to a higher standard regarding civilian treatment by Palestinians than their own forces have exhibited.

      • TheDankHold@kbin.social
        83·
        1 year ago

        They show restraint because they know good pr keeps the foreign investment flowing like a river. It’s so disingenuous to view this conflict in a vacuum with no larger geopolitical aspects to consider.

        Sure they could act like Russia is in Ukraine but that’s not how you get your genocide while the world shrugs their shoulders. Don’t be so painfully naive.

        Also it’s interesting that your recollection of events starts AFTER the Naqba where Israeli settlers drove Palestinians from their home. Everyone acting like there’s only one group driving hostilities always has an obnoxiously one sided understanding of the provocations that happened.

        And as a final note, Israel is held to a higher standard because it hasn’t been rendered destitute by a stronger power. It’s the imbalance of power that makes the position popular. Just like cops should be held to a higher standard than citizens, Supreme Court judges over political pundits, and soldiers over non combatants. The stronger force has the most responsibility to go for peace because their power grants them the most ability to do so.

        • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldEnglish
          54·
          1 year ago

          In what world does Israel show restraint, anyway? I don’t see the levelling of Gaza city as “restraint”.

          I don’t see the incarceration of 40% of Gaza’s male population as “restraint”.

          I don’t see Israel dropping more explosives on civilian population centers than the US did on Hiroshima as “restraint”.

          I don’t see the systematic apartheid system of the West bank as “restraint”.

          I don’t see the thousands of Israelis cheering as weapons declared illegal by the UN rain down on refugee camps as “restraint”.

          I don’t see the leaders of Israel declaring every last man, woman, child in Gaza animals as “restraint”.

          This is bullshit, through and through.

          • qwazpoi@lemmy.mlEnglish
            11·
            1 year ago

            It’s also very telling that they have marked 100% of the Gaza population as refugees. There are only about 2 million people in Gaza all together and that is the amount they are trying to send to Egypt. That means that this is just Israel pushing to completely erase Palestine.

            With white phosphorus and daily bombings on a city that has a population density greater than Chicago there doesn’t look like there’s any restraint only retribution.

            Israel telling civilians to follow evacuation orders to go to “safe areas” that they then bomb is just par for the course for what they plan on doing.

            • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldEnglish
              31·
              1 year ago

              The only fairness to the statement of Gazans being refugees is that most of them are, since most residents of Gaza and the West bank fled their original homes within the last 70 years.

              Many of the oldest generation in Palestine are older than Israel itself.

      • AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        42·
        1 year ago

        “Not that this makes reciprocity okay”

        That’s all you needed to say. The rest of your comment is just genocide apologetics.

      • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldEnglish
        45·
        1 year ago

        Israel is being held to a higher standard regarding civilian treatment by Palestinians than their own forces have exhibited.

        If this is is your pearl-clutching response to the genocide of Gaza and the West bank, you have lost all sense of morality. The rape, slaughter, and total cleansing of the region in response to the people of Palestine fighting back against 75 years of colonization and Jewish extremism will never be forgotten, but your vain attempt to paint Israel as the MODERATE side in this will be forgotten along with the rest of the fascist filth that inherit this site.

        • DarkGamer@kbin.social
          32·
          1 year ago

          If this is is your pearl-clutching response to the genocide of Gaza and the West bank, you have lost all sense of morality. The rape, slaughter, and total cleansing of the region in response to the people of Palestine fighting back against 75 years of colonization and Jewish extremism will never be forgotten, but your vain attempt to paint Israel as the MODERATE side in this will be forgotten along with the rest of the fascist filth that inherit this site.

          My, what a balanced and nuanced opinion of the conflict that takes into account both perspectives and the history that led it to here. Anything short of picking up a pitchfork and joining the angry online mob is being, “fascist filth,” now?

          • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            1 year ago

            Feigning neutrality to a genocide and apartheid and painting the victims as “just as bad” because of their resistance is being fascist filth.

            At least the people who support Israel out of ignorance have the balls to say they’re on the side of the oppressor.