Literally not how federation works.
I feel like a lot of people coming over here from reddit (granted I’m one of them) don’t really understand what federation is. The admin (the peeps actually hosting and running the instance) can do whatever they want. And unlike reddit, if you disagree with them you can just move to another instance. As I understand it (and they posted a large thread explaining all this) Beehaw wants to keep their community small and regulated, and with the massive growth of other instances like ours coming in they felt overwhelmed. It’s totally understandable and we shouldn’t be dicks about it
I’m not trying to be a dick. I’m just wondering why only defederating with those two. Lots of instances are gaining traction. I think it’s fair to wonder why discriminate with only those two.
The problem is, lots of popular communities were set up over there. There is a serious lack of content, and all of a sudden a ton of content is gone.
Nah its fine to bee selective.
Simply put, I disagree.
Here’s the fact of small groups that are made for the “outs”. The same pattern we’ve seen for every single “free speach” social media site. Bottom line is every social media site, has some level of what I’d agree is bad moderation that’s blatently banning people for say things like saying things to address police violence, income inequality etc… Things that are legitimate subjects that should be open to discussion.
However, 90% of people who get banned from social media, are people doing things that no one outside of their echo chamber want to be anywhere near, literal pro Nazi’s, White Supremicists etc…
The problem is, in general say if we magically turned all moderation off on say facebook, and let everyone back on, that would be relatively low impact, the non nazi’s would be 99%, the nazi’s would be the relatively small niche.
However, most people aren’t leaving their existing social media websites. Which means people looking for new social network sites, are disproportionately people that no one wants to be associated with. So when a new social media site opens up, promising not to moderate them… (Miwi, Truth, Gab, Parlor etc…). in 2 seconds it becomes flooded with people that, quite simply put scare off anyone who isn’t them away.
So long and short, in a new social network, if you don’t keep out the very extreme. You’ll never be able to develop a community around that isn’t extremes.
(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So, the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me, and he immediately says, “no. Get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey I’m not doing anything, I’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. Now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest, but it was all Nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And I was like, oh ok, and he continued.
"You have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in, and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after a while they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends, and they stop being cool, and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So, you have to shut them down."
And I was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said, “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
Those who think it’s a good idea, consider this.
Mastodon can be federated with Lemmy.
TruthSocial is running a modified instance of Mastodon.
Do you really want those or any other neighbors dropping in, unmoderated, or rather, moderated according to their own standards?
This might be a dumb question, but what is the difference between Lemmy and Mastodon federation vs federation between two Lemmy instances, for example?
Still new to the Fediverse, but here’s how I understand it.
- Lemmy is like Reddit
- Mastodon is like Twitter
- Matrix is like Discord
