Judge has ruled that Donald Trump committed fraud for years while building the real estate empire that catapulted him to fame and the White House.

Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling Tuesday in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that the former president and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing.

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          1 year ago

          WHY, though? When what he’s accused of are crimes and the plaintiff is the NYS Attorney General, why the fuck is it NOT a criminal case??

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            Because of the types of laws violated in the case is what defines if it’s a criminal or civil trial. There’s definitely criminal cases that can be brought, but the prosecutors don’t seem to think they’re ready to be brought to trial

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    So why the hell is this a civil suit rather than a criminal one?? Last I checked, bank fraud, insurance fraud, and other fraud are all illegal crimes that are against the law!

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      Not that I don’t agree with you, but I just want to point out that not all cases of breaking the law are criminal. For example, if you run a red light, a cop won’t throw you in jail for it. You’ll get a fine, though.

      Of course, what Trump did should put him in jail.

      But seeing his empire dismantle must be more devastating to his ego than the possibility of prison.

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        if you run a red light, a cop won’t throw you in jail for it. You’ll get a fine, though.

        Traffic violations such as that are considered civil offences, not criminal ones. Trump keeps being found guilty of federal crimes in civil courts. There’s no way that someone less rich and powerful would get the same treatment.

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      They could potentially bring a related criminal suit later. I’m not an attorney, and there are a lot of specific rules about, but the stakes are lower in a civil case (i.e. no prison) and the burden of proof is easier, so you can more easily prove things or get the defense to admit things in a civil case that can sometimes make a criminal case easier.

      Even if you can’t cite the civil case from the criminal case, just the fact that the civil case ruled one way gives the prosecution confidence to commit to a criminal case and leverage if they negotiate a settlement.

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        Fair enough. I’m gonna be pessimistic in stead of completely dismissive about the possibility of him seeing significant consequences, then 😁

    • I am also confused. Why does the attorney general put forward a civil suit in the first place? Civil court is for parties to seek damages or the other party to do or stop doing actions against contractual obligations.

      Or did Trump defraud the city of New York and it is seeking compensation?

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        Or did Trump defraud the city of New York and it is seeking compensation?

        Yeah, some of the “other fraud” is tax fraud, so in a very real and direct sense, he defrauded New York. Still doesn’t make sense for it to be a civil suit rather than a criminal one, though.

        Must be nice to be rich and powerful enough for your decades of major crimes to count as civil infractions 😮‍💨