• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    Wow that’s some straight up antisemitism right there. Sorry, but there isn’t some secret Jewish Cabal controlling the world.

    Go outside and touch some grass, ok?

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      10 months ago

      Hi there. Jewish person here. The people you are accusing of being antisemitic are 100% right. AIPAC has controlled the American political stance on Israel for decades.

      If you care about American Jews, stop associating them with Israel. That is what is getting us harassed and attacked, being automatically associated with Israel.

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        10 months ago

        Yeah this is the internet and I can claim that I’m a Palestinian that thinks that Netanyahu is completely in the right. Which proves what exactly?

        Also note that racism towards “Cosmopolitan Jews” was a way a certain group used as a gateway for people that weren’t willing to be antisemitic towards all Jews. But we know how that ended.

        So today it’s considered to be good and correct to hate “zionist jews” by those who would normally think antismeitsm is wrong. Meanwhile in my city there’s an Israeli consullate, but the protesters don’t go there, they protest in the middle of a Jewish community, and have attempted to burn down Jewish businesses. While you’re distinguishing between “cosmopolitan zionist jews” and other jews, there are many people in the Palestinian movement who are not.

        We need to stop looking the other way about what this is really about. An antisemitic movement that wants to restore the ethnic makeup of a geographic area to the way it was in a history book by the use of extreme violence. “Blood and soil”, “from the river to the sea” same shit different century.

        I’m not a Jew but my grandfather fought in a war against people that did the same things the Palestinian movement is doing right now. Jews went along with the movement my grandfather fought against too, you know. So the same bullshit from a century ago and how it affected my grandfather means a bit more than your unverifiable claims about being a jew. This ain’t about you, this is about fascists trying to burn down Jewish businesses in the city I live in after my grandfather sacrificed a lot to fight against that kind of evil.

        Now go on and make excuses for the violent actions of the fascists in your movement like a good useful idiot.

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          10 months ago

          You are welcome to look at my comment history and see how many other times I have talked about being Jewish.

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            10 months ago

            I really don’t care. There were Jews that joined the Nazi party. Historically being Jewish hasn’t exactly been a prophylactic against being a part of antisemitic movements. You may think you can win over the violent elements in a movement to only hate a subset of Jews so you’ll be fine. But when there’s a night of the long knives you find out only the opinions of those with the knives really count in these kinds of movements. And they aren’t going to care that you were “one of the good ones” when the knives come out.

            They already don’t seem to care what kind of Jew goes to the synagogues they shoot at.

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                10 months ago

                On the internet nobody knows you’re a dog.

                You can be whatever you want to be. Not sure why you’re playing the role of useful idiot for an antisemitic movement, but if you want that to be your internet persona, then no one can stop you. Just like no one can stop me from pretending from posting what I want even if I might be a dog in real life. Woof!

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                    10 months ago

                    A lot of people think that how they identify makes them magically immune to propaganda. The reality is thinking you can’t be scammed because of who you are makes you more vulnerable to being scammed.

                    “I’m a good ole country boy, some city slicker can’t fool me!” says the guy voting for Trump.

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        10 months ago

        Sigh.

        Promoting conspiracy theories involving Jews being puppet masters that control your government is textbook Goebbels kind of shit.

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          10 months ago

          They weren’t claiming that jews are puppet master overlords that control our governments

          They were claiming that Israel has a strong political lobby that can do a lot of political damage to politicians that don’t align themselves with Israel.

          They do this by doing exactly what you’re doing. Claiming or implying that anybody against Israel or the pro-Israel lobby is an antisemite.

          I’ll remind you that “jewish people” and “Israel” are not the same thing.

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            10 months ago

            I’ll remind you that “jewish people” and “Israel” are not the same thing.

            You need to tell that to the people that are shootiing at synogogues, trying to burn down jewish businesses. There is a Pro-Palestinian movement in my city that are protesting a Jewish community instead of protesting the Israeli consulate that’s in this city. Maybe tell them they should be protesting the consulate not the jewish communtiy because they don’t seem as enlightened as you are to understand the distinction between Israel and Jews in other countries.

            But you aren’t going to do that, are you? Could upset your friends in your movement if you criticize their actions.

            The Palestinian movement has proven the need for a group to lobby for the well being of Jews in the US. If you won’t speak out against the antisemitic activity that’s occurring in the Palestinian movement because you’re too busy spreading conspiracy theories on the internet, then yeah there needs to be some group that’s able to talk about these issues to those in power that are able to protect communities that are in danger from your allies in your movement.

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              10 months ago

              I never said antisemitism doesn’t exist. Neither did the person above. Nor did anybody else.

              You’re bringing that up now as a distraction. Criticising the actions of the regime in Israel, a regime that has openly stated they want to see the eradication of all Palestinians, is not antisemitism.

              “My” friends in “my movement”? What are you talking about? I’m not involved in a movement against Jewish people.

              If you’re referring to me being against the genocide being carried out by Israel, then yes, I’m against that.

              But it’s not really a “movement”, it’s the default. I guess with that line of thinking I’m a part of all kinds of “movements” - the “anti-paedophilia movement”, the “I don’t like kale movement”, the “people who think alligators are scary movement”, the “people who dislike chores movement”, etc.