The unemployment rate for urban youth has been climbing for several months. This is due to factors including a mismatch between what graduates were trained to do and the jobs currently available.
Sounds like Chinese graduates are having the same issues as a lot of Western graduates.
Damn that sucks. I hope things improve for them. (and us too)
I don’t know. You are starting to see where education level is no longer providing the premium that it used to in the labor economy. So, you have hazardous jobs with a labor rate assuming anyone can do the job and professional jobs where it was assumed that this isn’t the case. It turns out that those hazardous jobs need an increase in pay to attract workers, but part of the reason everything is built in China is because of lower than average labor costs.
If you are a new graduate, you may want to wait for a job in your field rather than take a 996 job at a factory.
The workforce needs to shift back toward an apprenticeship/on the job training model for a lot of things, I think (china and globally, really). There’s always a massive delay between demand and college course path/promotion/graduation. And the lag eventually results in graduates going into a saturated market. Plus education not matching actual first jobs leaves people feeling unprepared to take on higher levels, where if it’s a natural progression it doesn’t.
Idk about other countries but in the us this can be seen with the lawyer boom of the 90s and early 00s, and currently with tech saturation.
A person (with some exceptions, like stem) could take some basic community college courses (or just HS, if we streamlined the process) focused on their eventual path and then get the rest of the training as a junior at their job, like what used to happen, but companies want unicorns for no work on their end and certainly no pay, so it’s unlikely to go back to that model any time soon, despite being objectively better for everyone involved.
Similar issues, but rates are different. ~7% vs ~20% youth unemployment rates are very different stories. Right now my corner of the country is practically begging for workers, we simply doesn’t have the warm bodies post-covid to fill the open positions. Anyone with a pulse, 18-80, is welcome to work for a decent wage, degree or no, and still 7% of the youngins are not employed.
I’m not an economist, but to me 7% unemployment is bad, 20% is a crisis waiting to happen.
Yet the unemployment rate was much higher during the last recession, we hit somewhere around 25% overall unemployment rate until they stopped counting workers who simply left the workforce.
Another cultural victory for the west!
I remember Spain having traditionally a very high youth unemployment rate, just checked https://tradingeconomics.com/spain/youth-unemployment-rate and it’s 28%. Also I remember Swedish youth always struggled and there it’s similar to China with 19%.
I guess what is different is that this is new to China. Now you can’t get a job when you’re young and when you’re 35 you’re too old to work.
Just in case anyone else was wondering, the unemployment rate for youth (up to 24 years old) in China is 21%.
That’s really interesting, I hope they can bring those numbers to a better place. Youth unemployment can cause lots of social unrest, especially when there is no plan/policy in place to address it.
You want to look at seasonally adjusted numbers because it’s no wonder that there’s massive unemployment the month people get out of school.
Spain and Greece are fucked, yes, structural issues, Italy somehow managed to get back on track. Without seasonal adjustment, during Corona, it was as bad as 70-80% in Greece IIRC.
Three things though that help us soak that kind of thing up: a) mobility between EU countries, b) actual welfare systems, c) not having to pay alimony to your parents, at least not if you’re not filthily rich.
I hope the CCP falls and gets replaced by a democracy. I wanna go back to revisit a childhood place for nostalgia purposes, but I can’t because I’m terrified of the government.
I hope it’s not a stupid question, but… what are you worried would happen to you?
They’ve tried to kill me in the past. Maybe they aren’t as bloodthirsty anymore, but there has been a lot of Americans with Chinese ancestry that will think they are welcome in China because of their blood, but they get treated as a Chinese citizen in the eyes of the law while simutaneously being mistrusted because of foreign citizenship. What this means is that if you get in political trouble, or just doing something they don’t like (like using VPNs to access Youtube or basically any website outside of China), you can be harassed by cops or potentially even get arrested. But if you do get arrested, they do not let you contact your embassy because, again, they treat you like a Chinese citizen, where as a white American will be allowed to contact the embassy. Then, if things escalate to courts, they could prosecute you as a spy, and with 99% conviction rate you aint gonna be getting out any time soon. That’s where an actual Chinese citizen benefits, because if you are a citizen, might just demand an apology and let you go. So you get the worst of both worlds by being a non Chinese citizen, and being non-white. Even if nothing happens, they could already put you in an “exit-ban” and keep you from leaving indefinitely with no fair appeals process, for any political reason, or just a mistake in the bureauacracy. As a second-born during the one-child policy, I don’t even want to risk there being some “additional fines” that my parents haven’t paid off for some reason, which should already be cleared. China has a network of spies in the US, and you never know if someone walking by is a CCP spy while you were talking with friends about things critical of the CCP. My parents have this “Wechat” thing on their phone and they FUCKING GAVE PERMISSION FOR THE APP TO ACCESS THE MICROPHONE!!! Who knows if they have records of an argument about the CCP and my parents were STILL PRAISING THEM and I told them how much I hate them for trying to kill me. And I often have these arguments at home, when they have their phones near by. The Wechat app could’ve easily sent that conversation back to China and now I’m on their watchlist. Too much risk while CCP is in power.
The thing about being a Chinese-American, is that both shores are unwelcoming. The US is racist and becoming fascist, China thinks of us as traitors. There’s no safe harbor. Maybe Taiwan? I doubt that’s even safe since China wants to invade soon.
Considering that WeChat does video and audio calls it’s pretty reasonable that wechar asks permission to use the microphone. I think you’ve been caught up in fearmongering. China isn’t going to invade Taiwan any time soon. There has been little to any real indication they would or even could. You’ve gotta understand that the CCP is authoritarian but no government is that competent to be keeping tabs on a random Americans conversation that they had at some point at some time who may more may not be ever visiting China. I’m not saying China is run by good people, I’m saying no government is competent enough to actually 1984 anyone in real life.
It’s like the social credit system that doesn’t really exist. The CCP put out a vague instruction to have a credit system based on social stuff because many Chinese people don’t have banks thus don’t have access to regular credit systems. Random cities and provinces came up their own systems with random rules and regulations. Then basically all of them were walked back because they were stupid and random and overbearing, and the CCP delegating their vague orders gives them plausible deniability in that they blamed the stupid systems on local government and played the good guy when they ordered them walked back.
I can either:
- Not visit China
Cons: Not being able to revisit places I’ve been to that I always wanted to go.
Pros: Being safe from an authoritarian government that’s increasingly regressing back to totalitarianism
- Visit China
Pros: I can visit places I always wanted to revisit
Cons: Being arrested in China, placed on exit ban, tortured, or executed. And if I somehow leave unharmed, upon returning to the US, I could be accused of being a communist spy due to rising US-China tensions, possibly spending time in prison because of a second red scare.
Potential consequences are not worth it.
Tourism is not worth being tortured.
Being arrested in China, placed on exit ban, tortured, or executed.
What do you plan on doing in China? You must have quite the crime spree planned.
Just being Canadian is enough if the CCP is playing games.
Do you not understand US-China tensions? Both countries fear each other, and someone who’ve lived in the US for practically their entire life suddenly wants to visit China? That’d definitely raise some alarms about a potential spy. Maybe nothing happens, maybe they falsely assume I’m a spy.
Same thing when I return to the US, those border agents are gonna ask me why I went to my China during these times of high tensions.
There are risks from both countries. Whereas if China was democratic and US-friendly, none of these would be an issue.
Do you know how many people in the US were falsely arrested? That’s in a democratic country. Think about those odds if it were an authoritarian one.
There’s no safe harbor. Maybe Taiwan? I doubt that’s even safe since China wants to invade soon.
Singapore? The place has its issues but rule of law isn’t one of them and they totally get the “Han but no love for China” perspective.
Lol, you will have some hard time then Gringuito, it will outlast you and all of your white masters.
How do you keep your breath so fresh? Does the pooh bear use mint flavored shoe shine or do you just pop in a mint after going to town?
You do seem to know a lot about boot flavours and licking, it is suspicious, I wonder if that is related to leash you have on your neck that reads US property.
How is this productive conversation?
There is no productive conversation with you people. It is either we accept your notion of rules based ordes western imperialism or we are barvarians. You dont think outside whatever the us propaganda machine tells you to, even tje most simple things any of my politically uneducated third world friends would know is impossible to you.
So your conjecture is that the country with the heavily censored press is less susceptible to propaganda? Do I have that correct?
You’re the one randomly commenting to defend a government. Plenty of governments and orgs find problems with the policies and actions of the CCP not just the US.
One I have a problem with is how people in China can’t really criticize their government without risking being targeted by the government. If I said the Pooh Bear comment in China the CCP would be on my ass because WeChat reported me.
On the other hand criticize my government all the fucking time including leaders in particular. Watch. Fuck Biden I don’t like his gun policy and I don’t think he should run again, he is too fucking old. Here, I’ll do it again. Fuck Trump, he has tiny hands and I’m pretty sure he did those crimes he has been to going to court over. Also the DMV sucks and inflation is bad.
I could get into more important things the CCP is responsible for like the genocide but you probably think those are lies or want to get into whataboutisms.
You love licking Xi’s boot? Lmao
El gringo que se hace pasar por chino con la mente menos atrofiada.
Aren’t they doing this “let it rot” thing or whatever?
Lying flat?
That was the old name. I think it’s progressed to a more complex form. I don’t really know though, I think you’d need to ask a Chinese young person, and they have their own internet so that’s not necessarily easy.
What’s “let it rot” if you don’t mind me asking?
It’s Chinese youth basically giving up on the prospect of the careers they were planning for , sometimes just staying with their parents and giving up on the job search. I think it comes from caving to too much family/societal pressure and instead adopting a “fuck this” attitude. The Chinese term is Bai lan (摆烂)
See also “tang ping” (lying flat, 躺平)
The media environment in China is murky at best so I’m honestly not sure how much of it is a real phenomenon and how much is propaganda of some sort.
*edited a typo
I only know about it from bits and pieces here and there, but it’s a large soft-style protest where they refuse to participate in the economy as much as possible. When they get a job, they do it as poorly as possible without getting in trouble. If they can not have a job somehow, then they don’t get one.
According to google, the Chinese words are pronounced Bai Lan in English.
Oh wow! So the same inequality is likely gripping China is what I’m gleaning from this.
I believe the youth in many places of the world are turning against the paradigms of their elders. Just wanna have a nice place to live, man. Don’t care about Taiwan or Chinese Pride or trillions of dollars or mighty armies or covid lockdowns, just want a house, job and maybe family, and be able to think that’s a safe thing to try and do. Some people are making that harder than it needs to be though, not in just any one place, but lots of places. And it’s clearly because they’re following old patterns that no longer work as well as they used to.
So take a page from Ghandi. Sit there and wait. They can’t vote or anything in any way that matters, they can’t rebel against a massively powerful authoritarian state, they’d just die or be tortured into re-education. This soft protest is a viable strategy though, similar things have worked before in history.
We at least can vote and bitch and moan about our leadership without being abducted in the middle of the night, taken away and “re-educated”. But even with that democratic alternative, we had our own “Great Resignation”, or so we called it.
Well at least we’re all going down together?
Youth unemployment of over 20%, let’s hope they can improve those numbers, that’s pretty grim.
