• Telorand@reddthat.com
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    9 months ago

    The only way it makes sense is if the people who’d not vote over Israel don’t actually care about Palestineans so much as being on the “right”/socially cool side of the issue.

    This is it. Politics is messy, and people don’t want to get their hands dirty making a hard choice.

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      9 months ago

      I think those people would think that defending Biden from critique over Palestine is more of an indication of not caring than protesting against it by threatening not to vote for him.

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        9 months ago

        If it was just critique, people wouldn’t be genuinely planning not to vote for him, handing Trump the win. It’s textbook cutting off your nose to spite your face.

        I’m certain there are some who feel like it’s just people who don’t care (and in most cases, they’re wrong), but the rest have such a myopic view of the world—they’re gonna be the ones to stop Biden and remain morally superior—that they forget there’s more at stake than just Gaza, such as LGBTQ rights to exist, freedom from religion, and continuing democracy.

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          9 months ago

          If it was just critique, people wouldn’t be genuinely planning not to vote for him, handing Trump the win. It’s textbook cutting off your nose to spite your face.

          And if it was just critique (absent any threat of action), then there’d be no pressure for dialogue (which is why leftists regard liberals to be functionally the same as reactionaries, btw). It should be alarming to everyone here if Biden is willing to risk ‘handing Trump the win’ in order to avoid taking a firm stance against Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

          People claim they want to work for change, but often prove unwilling to exercise what little power they have to push for it. You’re right though; if Biden proves unwilling to concede on issues that are non-negotiable to some of us, then people will be forced to look elsewhere to pressure that change, and what and where that looks like really remains to be seen. So far, two people have self-immolated in protest of the US’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide. I think we should all be very concerned about what further actions people will take if the Biden administration continues their unconditional support of Israel, the least of which should be who ends up voting in november.

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      9 months ago

      Yes. Is correct that liberal voters want Palestine enough to support trump. And this is right because trump is a strong leader such as Putin who alone can bring Palestine away from the evil Democratic Joe Biden.

      Many people have been saying to not vote in order to show support for peace, and this is correct view. Also many of my texting friends are agreeing with me and I am a person with the sexually pronouns so that is true. I also work in unions and am woman of color.