“I think what you’re reacting to is that, at the moment, Biden is an unpopular president seeking a second term while Trump is a popular figure inside his party who is winning primary races. I wouldn’t necessarily compare the two.”

Credit to @JoshuaHolland

  • raccoona_nongrata@beehaw.org
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    You’re talking as if Biden is doing something to stop the genocide in Gaza rather than literally funding it…I think it’s you who needs to re-read what you’re writing. It’s not about their lives being forfeit, it’s that he’s literally as genocidal as any member of the GOP up to and including Trump. The genocide is going to continue as it has weather it’s Biden or Trump, full stop.

    All you have to do to understand that is look at Biden’s complete non-response to the uncommitted vote. He wants to “hold a meeting” and “have a dialogue” with Arab american communities when he already knows exactly what they want. People are tired of this run-around nonsense, it’s not selling anymore, especially when it comes to a genocide. There is no negotiate and compromise here.

    The more you try to talk down about how we all need to suck it up and support a pro-genocide president, the more I become convinced that your politics are as philosophically bankrupt and hollow as the GOP.

    The absolute nerve of trying to wave Palestinian lives around as if that serves as some kind of a defense of the people actively funding their murder at this very moment. Absolutely detatched from reality. To try and guilt people because they won’t vote for that is unconscionable.

    You’re politics have failed for 40 years, it’s time for you to introspect and change, not the people doing the only thing they can possibly do to hold Biden and Democrats accountable.

    I’m going to repeat it: What about the situation right now makes you think that voting for establishment dems for the past 40 years has worked? This is where we are. This is your gradual change manifested. We’ve been doing exactly what you are claiming works.

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      9 months ago

      What’s your plan? I’m listening.

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      The absolute nerve of trying to wave Palestinian lives around as if that serves as some kind of a defense of the people actively funding their murder at this very moment. Absolutely detatched from reality. To try and guilt people because they won’t vote for that is unconscionable.

      In November there are two outcomes. This is reality. One has a higher death count. Showing up and voting blue is the least one can do. There is no virtue that costs innocent lives.

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        No, both end in genocide. The only choice is whether you tell Democrats that it’s ok to field someone who supports genocide.

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      You’re talking as if Biden is doing something to stop the genocide in Gaza rather than literally funding it

      https://time.com/6591139/biden-israel-executive-order-sanctions/

      https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-791654

      https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1237616100/israel-hamas-war-gaza-aid-un-food-ships

      https://www.axios.com/2024/03/12/biden-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war-red-lines

      Is it enough? Fuck no. I’m not happy about him funding the Israelis before during and after all of that either. In particular, the line “impose restrictions on the use of U.S.-made offensive weapons by the IDF in Gaza” jumped out at me pretty much as I’m sure it did to you.

      On most things I’ll defend Biden; on Israel and Gaza I won’t. He’s the latest in a long string of leaders who’s okay with arming the Israelis so they can kill innocent Palestinians, and blocking any attempt to stop them. I’m fine with clinging to a small hope that he’s planning on changing for the better. A lot of un-heard-of things have been happening in the last few years: Big climate change legislation, student loan forgiveness, a bill for federal marijuana legalization, stuff that was way beyond the limits during the Obama years. If Israel is the next one of those, then great. But I’m not holding my breath and I don’t think it excuses four months of death and allegiance to the worst country in the mideast. I’m only bringing up those small examples above to say, that’s more than most US leaders and way, way more than Trump would do for Palestine.

      The absolute nerve of trying to wave Palestinian lives around as if that serves as some kind of a defense of the people actively funding their murder at this very moment. Absolutely detatched from reality. To try and guilt people because they won’t vote for that is unconscionable.

      Okay, let me do it again: Trump’s said he wants to “finish the problem” in Gaza. Personally, I believe he means it and that’s how he plans to wield power with a second term. If you bring that to power, instead of someone who’s merely on the grim neoliberal a-little-genocide-is-okay-but-maybe-let’s-do-better-in-the-future trajectory, then all those dead people are on you.

      To bring Hitler to power, because Germany’s colonial adventures before that created enslavement, starvation, and slaughter (because they did), and so you can’t see a difference between Hitler and the establishment Germans, is unconscionable. That’s you. That’s what you’re doing.

      Yes, I’ll hold you partly responsible for all the dead Palestinians, Ukrainians, Americans, and whoever else at the end of whatever Trump does if you think there’s no problem with actively bringing him to power and don’t want to actively work to stop it.