I’m going to write something unpopular, and I’m not even sure I agree with it, but it’s a 9gag PTSD…
Although I wish Reddit will soon rot and I’m an atheist, we all know who the people focused on criticizing only Islam are. And we all know what their focus on this religion tries to hide…
I prefer the company of people who are either neutral about religion or hates them all equally.
Thank you for saying this. Being anti-religion and anti-Islam are not the same thing. Context would be very helpful for OPs post because that changes the whole conversation really.
Although I wish Reddit will soon rot and I’m an atheist, we all know who the people focused on criticizing only Islam are.
A large number of them are former muslims who managed to escape from oppressive islamic regimes, and are now outspoken activists against an evil ideology.
I prefer the company of people who are either neutral about religion or hates them all equally.
That’s pretty stupid on your part either way. Neutrality towards religion is simply complicity. “Hating them all equally” is absurd and simple-minded, as every religion differs wildly in the level of harm it does. Islam and christianity are objectively the most harmful religions in existence today, and to focus your disdain on the one that you have the most experience with or poses the biggest threat to you is entirely reasonable.
Didn’t read past the second line, but fyi, I know there are former muslims. My mom is one of them. I should have written more carefully “except former muslims, obviously”.
The overwhelming majority of Islam focused critics, at least in western countries ? Culturo-fascists and white supremacists.
Obviously I can understand not liking it when people single out one group and ignore another. But am I correct in understanding that you’re saying you like people more for “hating” groups of people who are different to you? Don’t get me wrong, there are without question aspects of certain religions which are harmful. But saying that hating every religious person is a good thing is way over the top. Everyone deserves to be respected and treated well, not hated because of their beliefs.
You’re absolutely right. That is a very important distinction to make. One which I think should be more actively emphasised. There are absolutely people who hate people for being religious. Definitely want to clarify to make it clearer what is meant
Are you suggesting that there is not one single person who hates religious people? All I’m saying is that people should accept other people and leave them to believe what they want to believe. I don’t think any reasonable person would disagree with that freedom
I disagree. Islam is killing gay men and/or imprision them for life. They are bringing their homophobic ideals into western europe. I wont accept homophobia and right now islam = homophobia.
Islam is just one religion. It’s not all religions and not all religious people are like that. Not even all followers of Islam are like that. Dislike a person for what they have done. Don’t dislike a person for what they believe. I’m not suggesting that no one has done anything bad for a religion at all. I’m saying hating a person simply because they identify as a part of a religion is extremely shortsighted and makes this world worse
No, not at all. I’m saying that the op was complaining about religion, not faith. So talking about people who hate others due to their religion seems a bit off-topic.
Ah, I see. Well to explain what I mean, I was saying that the message he was converting could be misinterpreted and imo it should be stated more prominently what he actually means so that he doesn’t sound like one of these people. For the record, I am specifically referring to the last part of his message
Hmm. If I meet people who are deeply anti religious, I prefer them to show hatred equally to all of them. So I know there’s no ethno-cultural aspect to their hatred and it’s strictly philosophical. I also understand specific reject based on life experiences.
Overall, I feel better around people who are at least a little open to understanding some people want to believe, even if they hate the religious institutions (as I do) in something and not necessarily belittling religion as a practice, a faith, a way of life. But I deeply resent people who aggressively tried to convert me to their religion. And I’d never try to make someone who believes an atheist. I wouldn’t feel superior or more enlightened than a believer and I’d expect the same in return.
I’m going to write something unpopular, and I’m not even sure I agree with it, but it’s a 9gag PTSD…
Although I wish Reddit will soon rot and I’m an atheist, we all know who the people focused on criticizing only Islam are. And we all know what their focus on this religion tries to hide…
I prefer the company of people who are either neutral about religion or hates them all equally.
Thank you for saying this. Being anti-religion and anti-Islam are not the same thing. Context would be very helpful for OPs post because that changes the whole conversation really.
A large number of them are former muslims who managed to escape from oppressive islamic regimes, and are now outspoken activists against an evil ideology.
That’s pretty stupid on your part either way. Neutrality towards religion is simply complicity. “Hating them all equally” is absurd and simple-minded, as every religion differs wildly in the level of harm it does. Islam and christianity are objectively the most harmful religions in existence today, and to focus your disdain on the one that you have the most experience with or poses the biggest threat to you is entirely reasonable.
Didn’t read past the second line, but fyi, I know there are former muslims. My mom is one of them. I should have written more carefully “except former muslims, obviously”.
The overwhelming majority of Islam focused critics, at least in western countries ? Culturo-fascists and white supremacists.
Obviously I can understand not liking it when people single out one group and ignore another. But am I correct in understanding that you’re saying you like people more for “hating” groups of people who are different to you? Don’t get me wrong, there are without question aspects of certain religions which are harmful. But saying that hating every religious person is a good thing is way over the top. Everyone deserves to be respected and treated well, not hated because of their beliefs.
Careful- they only talked about hatred of religion, not the religious. A subtle but enormous difference.
You’re absolutely right. That is a very important distinction to make. One which I think should be more actively emphasised. There are absolutely people who hate people for being religious. Definitely want to clarify to make it clearer what is meant
Can you point to one? I don’t see any.
Are you suggesting that there is not one single person who hates religious people? All I’m saying is that people should accept other people and leave them to believe what they want to believe. I don’t think any reasonable person would disagree with that freedom
I disagree. Islam is killing gay men and/or imprision them for life. They are bringing their homophobic ideals into western europe. I wont accept homophobia and right now islam = homophobia.
Islam is just one religion. It’s not all religions and not all religious people are like that. Not even all followers of Islam are like that. Dislike a person for what they have done. Don’t dislike a person for what they believe. I’m not suggesting that no one has done anything bad for a religion at all. I’m saying hating a person simply because they identify as a part of a religion is extremely shortsighted and makes this world worse
Im not hating on persons, im hating on homophobic ideals. Islam = homophobic.
No, not at all. I’m saying that the op was complaining about religion, not faith. So talking about people who hate others due to their religion seems a bit off-topic.
Ah, I see. Well to explain what I mean, I was saying that the message he was converting could be misinterpreted and imo it should be stated more prominently what he actually means so that he doesn’t sound like one of these people. For the record, I am specifically referring to the last part of his message
P.S. : I wrote a detailed thread about this here : https://lemmy.world/post/2739891
Hmm. If I meet people who are deeply anti religious, I prefer them to show hatred equally to all of them. So I know there’s no ethno-cultural aspect to their hatred and it’s strictly philosophical. I also understand specific reject based on life experiences.
Overall, I feel better around people who are at least a little open to understanding some people want to believe, even if they hate the religious institutions (as I do) in something and not necessarily belittling religion as a practice, a faith, a way of life. But I deeply resent people who aggressively tried to convert me to their religion. And I’d never try to make someone who believes an atheist. I wouldn’t feel superior or more enlightened than a believer and I’d expect the same in return.
Well said! I think I agree with pretty much all of that
Although I’m not totally satisfied with what I wrote. I may write a new thread about all this whenever I have time to think about it better.