Well it’s a one party dictatorship, and even though the sanctions at first might not have been for a good reason, the responsibility lies on the Cuban leadership.
On being sanctioned as terrorist country? are you for fucking real?
I guess you could call stomping out peaceful protests with violence an act of terrorism? But that’s not the entire reason lol
I guess you could call george floyd or la riots stomping a terrorist act
but for real, islands can’t survive on their own, if tomorrow uk stopped all trade, it will start starving in 2 months. usa sanctions are extra cruel with both finance and shipping conditions
Yeah that is true and not only for island nations but the same is happening in North Korea where the people suffer from starvation. However what is important to remember is that the sanctions are imposed based on the regimes actions against it’s population with a very clear goal to have them lifted. If Cubas regime would go towards democracy the sanctions would be removed, and therefore the responsibility lies on the leadership 😄
like how usa sanctions saudia arabia or uae or qatar or azerbaijan or japan over not moving towards democracy?
That is a very interesting question. “Stable dictatorships instead of unstable democracies.” Most of the liberal democracies in the world seem to prefer that 🤷 What made Japan make it to that list?
The point still stands, whatever you think about the sanctions against Cuba, the leadership is responsible for it’s people and there’s a very easy way for them to have the sanctions lifted.
Yes they can easily have the sanctions lifted by betraying the people of Cuba and allowing Global North neocolonizers to resume their pillaging of the nation.
What a dumbass turbolib.
Cause japan is one party state?
Submit or else, good to see gunboat diplomacy is a thing of the past
cuba and korea are already democratic, as in the sense of true democracy, workplace democracy. liberal “democracy” is nothing more than a cover for the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and foreign imperialists. just look at cuba and korea under their respective american and japanese occupations. thats what the liberal west wants to return them to.
Well “true” democracy is a rather open definition lol. With a minimalist definition enough even North Korea is a democracy based on them holding elections but I mean that is obviously not the case. Liberal democracy is just electoral democracy+ rule of law. You can have liberal democracy without capitalism and the bourgeoisie, just look at the Scandinavian countries before the neoliberalists took hold.
you unironically did the “socialism is when the nordic model” meme, lmaooo
sorry, i tried taking you seriously, but this is just too much
However what is important to remember is that the sanctions are imposed based on the regimes actions against it’s population
I don’t know every single sanction against the DPRK, but over the last 40 years the sanctions have all been in connection to nuclear development and things like that. Also, it’s rich that you talk about communists being hypocrites while you take western powers at their word for why they are imposing sanctions that starve people by your own admission. The US has done and is doing much crueler things to the people of these states than the states themselves have ever done in any but the most unhinged fantasies.
This might be the dumbest fucking thing I’ve read in awhile.
when you definitely understand what the word dictatorship means 😂
Sorry, what? :P
Heidegger and Hannah Arendt will never answer for the crimes they have committed against your brainpan
:michael-laugh:
you are being criticized for using the word “dictatorship” in a liberal sense, a sense that doesnt respect material reality due to being idealist.
Ah thanks. Maybe should have used the proper authoritarian. Dictatorship is just a much easier and more widely recognized term no?
well, every state is authoritarian. thats part of the self preservation of any governance, be it progressive or reactionary. if you wanna abolish states alltogether ask the anarchists, since i am an ml and think that authoritarian measures are good for the liberation of mankind.
Haha yeah in a sense maybe. But the authoritarian meaning is that there’s no free or equal competition for the power so I mean there’s quite a difference between states where there are authoritan and democratic countries.
equal competition for the power
Show me any state where there is an “equal competition for power” in any general sense. The Democrats and Republicans having similar degrees of power means nothing but a duopoly if they each exist above democracy as private entities (and they do) and there is no “equal” competition with more progressive groups.
i mean, cuba is a dictatorship of the proletariat. libs just think thats a bad thing.
well yeah because libs are just temporarily inconvenienced billionaires
Meh, can you really say that it’s the proletarian dictatorship anymore when Cuba now has a privileged elite defending it’s grip on power against the poor majority? It’s more like they have become the bourgeoisie.
cuba is literally the most egalitarian nation in the americas. what are you talking about?
How do you mean it is egalitarian?
in the sense of the abolishment of class oppression
Ah okey ^^ but that’s my point. The revolution abolished the then existing classes but now the party has cemented into the now ruling class. They enjoy the privileges and aggregate all the power to themselves where the now again born under class can’t do anything. I understand what you mean but I think we have to see Cuba for the state its in, not the promise of what it would become.
I’m sure you have some kind of a source for such an outlandish claim. How much time do you spend looking at the compensation of Cuban politicians?
You could probably understand the reasoning if you read the rest of the thread. What kind of compensation do you have in mind?
I’ve read the thread. You have no source and you have not even tried to educate yourself on the basics of the Cuban government. You invented an accusation out of thin air and are somehow surprised people don’t uncritically believe it.
Alright, what do you request a source for? Can’t say I’m surprised at others not agreeing in a discussion. Do you usually get surprised by that?
Well it’s a one party dictatorship
Yes, the dictatorship of the party of the working class, or in other words a proletarian democracy.
Meanwhile, whether one party or two or a hundred, we have a dictatorship of the capitalist class, or in other words a bourgeois democracy.
Exact same logic Israel uses to starve Gaza.
How so?
Sanctions are always meant as collective punishment, it’s a siege warfare tactic. The goal is to torture innocent Cuban people for not overthrowing their government, starve them until they have no choice but to destroy the revolution. America has even directly admitted it:
This is the same policy as in Gaza, to starve the people until they turn their backs on the enemy.
That is not entirely true. It depends on the kinds of sanctions. This is why modern sanctions have shifted from punishing the citizens in hope of them rising against the regime to pin targeting the leaders and the ruling class.
The catastrophe and starvation in Iraq (I think it was Iraq) changed how sanctions were used.
Does that have fucking anything to do with Cuba?
Well you claimed that sanctions always are meant as a collective punishment?
Sanctions on economies are collective punishment.
You’ve sidestepped the problem, which is that there is a siege war being saved on Cuba and they’ve done nothing to deserve it.
Can you elaborate on how modern sanctions have materially changed from how they were pre-Iraq?
You’re going to bat for the collective punishment of the Cuban people. When is the collective punishment of civilians appropriate in your mind?
You’re also supporting a policy that has failed to achieve its stated result for 65 years. What other long-term policy failures do you support?
Can’t say I would have objected against sanctions against Nazi Germany. Does that suffice?
Please cite me where I state that I support this policy?
Please cite me where I state that I support this policy?
You excused it by blaming it on Cuba. There’s no meaningful difference between that and support. Any worthwhile take on the embargo starts with ending it immediately, and you can’t even manage that.
And sure, I would support sanctions against Nazi Germany. But until Cuba turns fascist, invades its neighbors, and starts a genocide, it’s nowhere near a situation where sanctions are appropriate.
Bullshit reasoning. Are you a sith lord?
Okay, cool.
Use your words
If you think there’s some meaningful difference, let’s hear what it is. “I don’t support this but it’s totally their fault” is not convincing.
Of course there’s a difference with seeing something from an objective viewpoint and agreeing or disagreeing with it?
“It’s their fault” is not an objective viewpoint. You are assigning blame to Cuba and excusing the U.S.
Are you a sith lord?
Well, if your horrible, uneducated, moronic, murderous political ideas didn’t already tell me that you have the mental capacity of someone who derives their political opinions from children’s media…There it is.
Please cite me where I state that I support this policy?
I hate when people try to be slick, and it’s even more annoying when they suck at it:
Well it’s a one party dictatorship, and . . . the responsibility lies on the Cuban leadership.
All this ignoring that you are misrepresenting both Cuba and the effect of the sanctions.
This obviously doesn’t mean that I support the sanctions and you are intentionally misleading in saying so.
Makes pretty extreme implication
Denies any such implication and is insulted that anyone could read it such a way
???
Coward
Reddit brain
“It’s a Bad Country and the actions taken against it by the US are the fault of the Bad Country’s leadership, not the US”
“Oh, but I’m not supporting the US, merely absolving them of guilt”
Chickenshit nonsense
Most countries are actually fine with political parties on the ballot receiving funding, material/technical support, and terrorist attacks from a foreign power, it’s just the perfidious Cubans banning other parties that do this!
Obvious troll is obvious. If the overwhelming number of Cuban people really and truly didn’t support socialism. Then they would have taken over in a new revolution as they did getting rid of the US puppet state the last time. They have stood firm despite the literal attempts of US lead colour revolutions and refuse to be forced to bow to the self-appointed global police state that is the US. They aren’t the ones that should change to serve the rich fucks that steal from nations across the world. It is those rich fucks that should be put in the dirt so that peoples across the world could live their lives without fear.
The communist party in Cuba (like every other party) can’t “advertise” itself, it’s in the constitution ffs. If you wanted to pick a socialist country to portray as a “one party scary dictatorship” Cuba is not that. Cuba is a zero-party democracy in a way.
How is the US engaging in a blockade around a country with a popular government the fault of the Cuban leadership?
So Cuba should dissolve a government widely approved of by the people and return to client state gang run institutions for the ability to receive food? You’re a fucking idiot. Calling people sith lords, please learn to engage in world politics by using meaningful vocabulary instead of trying to equate everything to your favorite work of fiction
Hard to tell how popular the government is if you get jailed for voicing disagreement now isn’t it? What I’ve seen about the demand for the sanctions to be lifted it’s granting the population human rights regarding political freedoms. Would that mean the dissolvement of the government?
Hard to tell how popular the government is if you get jailed for voicing disagreement now isn’t it?
good thing that doesn’t happen then, huh?
No, you see, Display name@feddit.nu is the one true interpreter of the desires of all people. We should just let them pick every government since clearly they know best.
It shouldn’t be hard to understand that what the US cares about are the rights of capital and of empire, not human rights
Yeah they should’ve had two genocidal imperialist parties instead like the US
Bumping this. Ironically blew the rest of my funds on groceries last week.
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Yo I have a trip to Cuba in like two weeks. What should I be doing?
theres still not enough suffering in the world, give us more!
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