• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    man even americans are starting to regurgitate this isreali party line; gazans are so fucked.

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      5 months ago

      Is it an Israeli line? I don’t doubt that Israel says it, but it seems to me like Iran developing nukes is a pretty rational response to America ditching the agreement. I certainly don’t like a government like Iran’s having those weapons, but it’s very understandable for it to want them and the country has the capacity to make it happen

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          Doesn’t that turn of phrase imply that it’s untrue (or at least misrepresentative) though? It’s not meaningfully “an Israeli line” if it’s actually just true

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        5 months ago

        I certainly don’t like a government like Iran’s having those weapons

        1. It is not about you
        2. Israel is worse and has nuclear weapons, the US already used them twice and Ted Cruz and other US politicians regularly threatens to nuke the Middle East
        3. Countries in the region have a right to protect themselves from foreign powers
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          1 - I didn’t say it was? I’m allowed to express an opinion without expecting the world to conform to it

          2 - Disliking Iran’s government doesn’t imply liking opposed governments

          3 - They do, I agree

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    5 months ago

    Remember when Obama got Iran to give up refining nuclear material then Trump fucked it up horribly?

    Pepperidge farm remembers.

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        Biden tried to restart the deal back in 2021, and has been trying ever since.

        However, it turns out that the US is not the only party involved in international treaties. We can’t just pick up the ball and go home mid game, then come back in a year with a new coach and expect every to continue playing like nothing happened

        The original deal was a difficult achievement on its own. Now, we need to not only repeat that, but also deal with the fact that Iran does not trust us to follow through with our end of the deal. Overcoming that needs good negotiation, and a lot of concessions we did not want to make.

        This is why administrations of both parties have historically upheld deals made by the opposing party that they didn’t like. Unilaterally breaking deals every 4 years because of who wins an election makes the US a non-credible partner in negotiations. You can’t just wave a wand and fix that.

        • No country should trust the US to keep their word. They never do. If the US honored treaties they would be paying out about a third of the current yearly treasury expenditure (about 2 trillion) on concessions and direct payments to Native American tribes which were already a bad deal for the tribes when they signed them and weren’t paid out even a single penny.

          • Broken Treaties With Native American Tribes: Timeline

            Between the Revolutionary War and the aftermath of the Civil War, over the course of almost a century, the United States and Native American nations signed some 368 treaties that would define their relationship for centuries to come.

            The treaties keyed off the fundamental idea that each tribal group was an independent nation, with their own right to self-determination and self-rule. But as white settlers began moving onto Native American lands, this idea came into conflict with the relentless pace of westward expansion—resulting in many broken promises on the part of the U.S. government.

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    5 months ago

    The Middle East is developing deterrence against foreign threats right before us and the US can’t stop it

    If Blinken doesn’t like it, he can always start with his bosses at Tel Aviv and their nuclear weapons

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    Look, it’s the bi-annual “Iran is 6 months away from getting nukes” headline. I wonder which intelligence service came up with this (again).