• Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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    “Save lives” are you dense? Russia is kidnapping, torturing, killing

    Woah… Holy shit, you actually said that… “kidnapping, torturing, killing” - literally what Zelensky’s regime is doing.

    Ukraine is conscripting Ukrainians like any other country that has been attacked before it has done.

    Woah, other regimes are also gasing people and trying to set their cars on fire? They must be good ones.

    In fact, most Ukrainians that are currently dodging the draft are saying that they would let themselves get drafted

    I know I know, all of us would gladly die for your interests, and those of us who wouldn’t are Russian agents.

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      You sure do have a lot of energy to complain about Ukraine while bending over backwards to avoid acknowledging that there might be some kind of external event that might be impacting these things, like, I dunno, some kind of invasion or something. Maybe if those people left, that would also be a solution??? Just spitballing here. But truly, giving up is the best solution for everyone Russia.

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        They’re not leaving until NATO and Ukraine abandons NATO membership, but they are leaving as soon as they do. Why fight for that purpose?

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          “You don’t need to be protected from us” he said while invading.

          Yeah, again, not a winning argument here.

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        You sure do have a lot of energy to complain about Ukraine while bending over backwards to avoid acknowledging that there might be some kind of external event that might be impacting these things, like, I dunno, some kind of invasion or something. Maybe if those people left, that would also be a solution??? Just spitballing here. But truly, giving up is the best solution for everyone Russia.

        Why are you trying to make me responsible for the invasion? How is this my fault? How is this fault of every other (well, non-Nazi ones anyway) Ukrainian? Why do you support terrorizing, murdering and torturing all of us?

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          Well since I said “you” and you aren’t the entire population of Ukraine (I assume, but maybe you do in fact contain multitudes) I don’t see how this is relevant at all!

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      Woah… Holy shit, you actually said that… “kidnapping, torturing, killing” - literally what Zelensky’s regime is doing.

      So you want to sell me one incident that is acknowledged and is being investigated as a gotcha to discredit the systematic and widespread torture the Russian state is employing? You really are dense.

      Woah, other regimes are also gasing people and trying to set their cars on fire? They must be good ones.

      And again, you want to sell me one incident that is being investigated as a gotcha to the illegal and widespread use of tear gas by Russia in this war? Not beating my accusation there, you are.

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        So you want to sell me one incident

        Holy fuck, and you are telling me that I’m dense… That’s what happens every single day, it’s in the mainstream western media for a long time now - https://www.yahoo.com/news/m-ukrainian-conscription-officer-people-070000956.html. Zelensky’s regime kidnaps and beats people every single day, thanks to your support.
        How many accidents would be enough for you to admit that Zelensky is terrorizing Ukrainians with your support? That’s a rhetorical question of course, obviously Zelensky can do whatever he wants as long as Russians are dying as well, right?

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            Got it, Zelensky can kidnap, torture and murder people until UN releases a report on it. Thanks for clarification. At least you set some red line, usually its simple “to the last Ukrainian” kind of thing :/

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              Yes comrade, I too envision Zelensky personally pressimg a gun to the temple of every Ukrainian that refuses to get drafted. What a despicable behavior, to make out the victim of an invasion to be the perpetrator.

              There is exactly one person that can end the invasion with the snap of a finger, and that person is Putin.

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                Yes comrade, I too envision Zelensky personally pressimg a gun to the temple of every Ukrainian that refuses to get drafted.

                Ah, so if he’s not doing the atrocities personally then it’s all ok? Gotcha :)

                What a despicable behavior, to make out the victim of an invasion to be the perpetrator.

                I hope you aren’t implying that Zelensky is a victim? For him this war is literally the best thing that could ever happen to him - he gets to rule the xountry for as long as he wish, reveives billions from the west, travels around thr world telling stories about how hr protects the democracy, etc. The victims are Ukrainians whom he (well, his rehime if you want to differentiate those things for some reason…) confines, kidnaps, tortures and murders.

                There is exactly one person that can end the invasion with the snap of a finger, and that person is Putin.

                So?

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                  Ah, so if he’s not doing the atrocities personally then it’s all ok? Gotcha :)

                  Still dense, gotcha (:

                  I hope you aren’t implying that Zelensky is a victim? For him this war is literally the best thing that could ever happen to him - he gets to rule the xountry for as long as he wish, reveives billions from the west, travels around thr world telling stories about how hr protects the democracy, etc. The victims are Ukrainians whom he (well, his rehime if you want to differentiate those things for some reason…) confines, kidnaps, tortures and murders.

                  Yes comrade, I too beg my neighbouring country to invade me, so I can stay in power. I thank them every time I’m attending a funeral of one of my soldiers.

                  So?

                  I just love how at the start of your meaningless ramble you were “concerned” for Ukrainian victims. But as soon as it gets pointed out who really has the power to stop this invasion you feign ignorance… Or you’re really just that dense, that’s a possibility too of course.

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                    Yes comrade, I too beg my neighbouring country to invade me, so I can stay in power. I thank them every time I’m attending a funeral of one of my soldiers.

                    So why exactly doesn’t it make sense? :)

                    I just love how at the start of your meaningless ramble you were “concerned” for Ukrainian victims. But as soon as it gets pointed out who really has the power to stop this invasion you feign ignorance… Or you’re really just that dense, that’s a possibility too of course.

                    Yeah, you are quite dense :)

                    I am concerned for Ukrainian victims, because me my friends and my family are potentially one of them.

                    But as soon as it gets pointed out who really has the power to stop this invasion you feign ignorance…

                    What ignorance? What Putin’s/Russia’s ability to end the war has to do with Zelensky’s commiting atrocities on Ukrainians?