I don’t think even that would work. He could certainly hamper the war effort but the US isn’t the only ally Ukraine has. I don’t think they would capitulate unless there was major movement on the front line and a total defeat seemed possible.

Why would they fold though? This idea that Ukraine was merely a puppet that would concede to literally any demands from the US was always ridiculous.

So critical you’ll be instantly banned for saying anything critical of Russian imperialism.

Sure, if you have total power over the media ecosystem. But we don’t.

So the question has to be asked–are you banning Zionism from the public square or simply exiling anti Zionism into a small echo-chamber where no one will hear it anymore and Zionism will go unchallenged? This is my problem with this approach.

Another user mentioned that feddit.org may have been consistently censoring anti-Zionist voices. If that’s true it would make this a lot more reasonable in my view. However the post doesn’t seem to explicitly make this claim, so I am curious if it’s true. It left me with the impression that they were defederating mainly due to the presence of some Zionist users on the instance, which seems a very excessive response when the ability to ban individual users exists.

Maybe… this is where I guess the instance rules get in the way because I’d like to know what exactly that looks like. Because it’s well known that communists and others tried to violently resist the Nazis in the lead up to the third reich. So you’d have to articulate how your strategy was different from what was tried and failed.

My reading of history is that sporadic violence is a very ineffective anti-fascist tactic.

OK, if that’s true then I what I’m saying here doesn’t apply.

Yeah I would agree with that. However there are a number of ml users who are very deserving of that treatment based on their individual behavior. But insofar as that’s used against other random users on the same instance it’s probably not appropriate.

What worked was the might of a multiple empires waging total war against one another. I don’t think any Lemmings have that power at their disposal.

Of course this only worked after tens of millions of deaths, so it wasn’t exactly the ideal solution even then.

Depends completely on the impacts of that decision. Zionism is the predominant viewpoint in my country, so if I were to refuse to ever be around them, I would be a complete shut in, which would be counter-productive to my larger political goals. Which include defeating Zionism.

But I don’t believe it’s true that this instance is full of zionists/nazis. The accusation seems to be that there are some users on it who are zionists.

Well there are many examples but yes.

Guilt by association is still stupid even if you come up with a different analogy for it.

Well I don’t think that’s very effective either but if we can’t have a discussion then we’ll just have to disagree.

Echo chambers make you stupid.

People love to criticize the marketplace of ideas and sure it’s imperfect… but what’s he alternative? Covering your ears and going lalalalala is even less effective than persuasion.

Had to make sure to censor that from field huh?

I’d say even outside of MAGA this isn’t really done. Maybe no one would object but I can’t say I really see it.

OK, I understand your position but again that’s not what I meant. I just meant the free dissemination of information is largely legal and available to those of us who care to look for it. So I don’t think something this big could go unnoticed.

OK so it depends on what you mean by free press. I meant you can report the truth and that (usually) won’t get you arrested. I did not mean the mainstream press is always fair or honest.

There’s been a huge growth of independent journalists that give far more accurate accounts of leftist perspectives in protests, etc. Though you have to be careful because there’s plenty of dishonest independent journalists too. But if you have good media literacy and fact checking ability the information is still out there. As opposed to places where if you speak certain facts aloud you may be arrested.

As far as I can tell, people can still report on these facts without major safety risk. Yes, the free press is under attack but it hasn’t succumbed yet.

Yeah this is an open question to me. How many people are being sent to foreign prisons and what becomes of them there? There has been very little coverage since Kilmer Abrego Garcia was freed but my understanding is this is still ongoing.