But they aren’t all made by slave labor. You only have to spend 3-5x as much. Not a problem if you buy %80 less clothes.

Perma-ban started being used because people began using Ban when meaning something temporary.

That makes sense. Thank you for giving an actual answer.

Dark humor is a lot like food.
Not everyone gets it.

Just stateing your claim again isn’t a valid argument.

It isn’t. Eventually the English language will die out. So will the sun.

There isn’t a predetermined end point with hunger. No timer. That’s the difference.

The thing is, nothing is permanent in an absolute sense. (Maybe logic, but that’s about it)
So in a world where everything changes, what does permanent mean? It can only mean reasonably mean, “without predetermined end.” Not that it won’t end, because everything does eventually.

So Temporary must be that which does have predetermined end time.

Since Provisional does not have a predetermined end, but does include an explicit indication of eventually ending, it is both permanent and temporary.

You made this thread to ask a question, got answered.

Not really. A couple of people tried to answer it. One did quite well. You and yours are all simply saying I’m wrong, and my question is invalid; Simply because for your entire life I imagine, Ban has always been used this way. But some 20 or 30 years ago, I can promise you (so can a few others here) it wasn’t that way.

Here is a little bit of muddiness. If there is no clearly defined end of something, is it permanent, or temporary? I would argue, since nearly everything changes and virtually nothing is permanent in an absolute sense; Permanent can only reasonably mean, no predetermined end time. Hunger has no defined amount of time. It may in fact last until death, making it quite permanent from the point of view of the individual experiencing it. So hunger in fact would, for the purpose of a definition, be permanent.

Thank you! Your thorough and thoughtful response is a breath of fresh air.

That’s not my claim. It’s also a dodge to my question.

But it got me thinking.

Provisional: for the present time but likely to change
No specified ending date or condition, but also temporary. That may be the closest to what you’re looking for.

Can you give an example of a word for a temporary condition or situation, that isn’t explicitly defined as such?

I made that same argument countless times in school. I can count on one hand the number of times a teacher agreed with me.

Ban makes it immediately known what you are talking about - because it is widely used. Suspension - people need to have a short “think”.

I’m claiming the reverse. In fact I specifically said so in my original post.
A Suspension immediately means temporary. A Ban may or may not. You need to look further to find out.

Sort of. I thought that for a long time also, because that’s the way reddit worked for years.
But some people didn’t like that people they blocked could still see and comment on their stuff without their knowledge. So it became a real block.

My original question wasn’t about changing anything at this point. It was about when and why this change in usage happened.
But with all the push back saying I’m actually wrong, I’ve instead been forced into a place where I have to defend the dictionary.
I’m not arguing for a new standard. I’m saying there was a standard, and somehow we got off it; And are now we’re in a place of ambiguity.

Suspension isn’t the opposite of ban. Suspension is temporary.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. People and places keep using the term Ban when it’s temporary, and Suspension the closer fit.

That’s not how tests work.

Maybe my day is older than yours.
I think statistically that’s likely.

Traditionally terms for temporary things include that aspect in their definition, like the definitions of Suspend I gave.
By tradition of definition, permanent is implied unless otherwise defined.

Can you give an example of a word for a temporary condition or situation, that isn’t explicitly defined as such?

But would more correctly (specifically) be defined as Suspend.

Like on a multiple choice test question with two answers that are “correct”, one is more specific, and thus the “right” answer.