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9·10 hours agoThese easily outclass any IFVs russia has left or can make brand new. Personally, I would much rather be in one of these than even a russian main battle tank.
Crucially these build on the undeniable design success of the M2 Bradley formula. Same general size, tracked, armed and armored to fight not just transport troops and properly focused on a rear ramp for getting infantry OUT alive.
Comparing russian armored designs to a Lynx is like putting a child’s fingerpainting next to a famous Monet piece.
Right now? Almost all of it, russia is desperately trying to push negotiations while pretending they don’t need to push them.
They are called APFSDS tank shells
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armour-piercing_fin-stabilized_discarding_sabot
A CV90 (not even a true main battle tank) with a 120mm gun would eat these piece of shit “tanks” for breakfast. Not as a hero vehicle that charges to the front and singlehandedly breaks through enemy assaults, but rather as part of a hunting pack working in close concert with drones to surgically dismantle and devastate enemy armored assaults without putting Ukrainian lives at unnecessary risk.
Not shoulder launched though, unless you ARE a tank then technically…
Maybe RPGs, if the distance of the plate was far enough away from the main hull of the tank. The blast from shaped charges in RPGs can dissipate fairly quick once it has gone through one bit of armor, so, it needs to detonate against the actual tank hull itself so the jet of molten copper has a higher chance to give a big hug to one of the shells in storage.
This is misinformation, an RPG warhead being detonated before it hits the main armor HELPS PENETRATION as it gives space for the molten jet to form more coherently. There is of course a distance where it falls off but don’t be fooled by this nonsense cope that is repeated everywhere.
https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1736002/FULLTEXT01.pdf
It is not working.
These Turtle Tanks are niche designs focused on countering drones. This class of armor is best thought of as improvised heavy mineclearing vehicles, but they aren’t tanks.
What these Turtle vehicles gain in imperviousness to FPV drone attacks they catastrophically give up in situational awareness and vulnerability to all other anti-tank weapons whether that be direct fire cannons tank cannons, artillery, AT guided rockets or physical tank traps.
Does anyone else feel like tanks were unquestionably obsolete when Russia stopped using them and now that Russia is using them again tanks are unquestionably powerful?
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Because Biden was an empty neoliberal also-ran Obama picked as his Safe Milquetoast White Guy to “balance” the fact that Obama was black, Biden never had the guts to lead he just mindlessly split the middle on issues his whole career.
Also Fuck Trump too just to be crystal clear.
Well, as Sweden replaces their older Gripens with new ones I am sure they will let Ukraine get started training with and using the older ones as soon as possible.
A great way to get actual combat experience without risking too much is running shahed/ground attack missile interception missions deep behind friendly lines so in that sense Russia is already providing a great training environment for Ukrainian pilots.
I think this is one of the underappreciated negatives to Russia’s strategy of flooding Ukrainian skies with targets, they are training a ton of Ukrainians to be very good at shooting shit out of the sky and that will continue to backfire for decades on Russia.
Are the Russian pilots getting as much practice? How could they? Russia’s economy is in large part focused on pumping out target training drones for Ukraine to shoot down, there is no way they can be providing their pilots and AA defense crews with as thorough and extensive training, it would be impossible materially for them. It is only recently that Ukraine has begun hitting targets with flying bombs all over Russia, but they will never provide the equivalent training opportunity because Ukraine isn’t trying to brute force terrorize a civilian population with indiscriminate flying bomb strikes into surrender.
Russia thinks it is proving to the world that manned systems are obsolete and their industrial capacity to create mass terror civilian-targeting flying bombs trumps everything, but they are really just providing Europe with the next generation of air defense training at the expense of Russia’s future.
I have a feeling Gripens will be entering the picture sooner than this timeline indicates due to that fact.
I mean, that is a LOT of jets, 3 years isn’t that long for such a massive aquisition.
What this says to me is these military industrial powers are confident Russia is unable to radically change the momentum of the war and are thinking 10 years down the road to the next step of war for Russian imperialism.
I am not sure how much that future war is feasible for Russia anymore though.
All that being said, yes it is infuriating, nobody is a pawn to be pushed around in geopolitics and I totally get Ukrainians being exasperated by this nonsense.
What a big oooooof, now any Russian propaganda crews filming pro-Russian military propaganda have to be looking over their shoulder the whole time wondering if they aren’t just putting targets on all the stuff that is supposed to make Russia look good…
Hell yeah
Agreed, I guess the hopeful thing I see here is that I think things have degraded so far for Russia that Trump and Putin are starting to get desperate, you can see it in the frantic way they try to do shit to distract from Zelensky whenever Zelensky seizes the political initiative.
You can also see it in the way they keep trying to advance the process of negotiations while needing to make it look backhanded to save face.
Go read the way some people on /r/credibledefense on reddit (NOT lemmy/fediverse) talk about helping Ukraine, some of these assholes openly admit they support slow walking aid to Ukraine to hurt Russia maximally. They treat this like a board game with abstracted plastic pieces moving around, it is disgusting. They say it outloud too, speaking to Ukrainian lives as if they were good trades for geopolitical gains.
I don’t see intentional malice in it, it is just defense focused people in the US tend to have a baby level understanding of the world and have had their brain broken by conservatism to the point they can’t think critically about how their words and actions may be received.
Lol why are you and Putin making so much noise about peace then?
No, Putin is getting desperate, Russia needs an excuse to end the war soon.
“Hey did I hear someone say drinking game?!” - Pete Kegseth Secretary Of War stumbles in already drunk with two 30 racks in hand.
I guess, but the US tried to screw over Ukraine by giving them tanks without giving them enough artillery to properly support heavy armored maneuver. It is equivalent to handing someone a knight’s helmet and shield but no sword or suit armor… sure it helps but it isn’t what they probably asked for in terms of being armed for self defense and I mean… ok sure the shield is nice but… what? Why? Did you want to technically help them while still letting them fail or at least struggle to win?
The logic for why Russia is in a losing position is simple at the heart of it. Ukraine is rapidly developing military industrial partnerships with wealthy foreign nations that similarly value the lives and thus professionalism of their military personnel. If Russia could only manage at best a slow grinding costly offensive before these additional capacities and partnerships, basic logic suggests Russia is running into a brickwall when they fully come online in Ukraine.
I am of course mostly talking about artillery here but other stuff too. I mean, just imagine fighting an army with domestic L119 howitizer production vs. an army without it? That right there is a MASSIVE shift in strategic power and it barely made the news.
https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-uk-agree-on-joint-artillery-production/
…this is some of the worst news a Russian general could wake up to, the L119 is a workhorse and it is very lightweight. It is the best towed infantry support howitizer on earth, period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L118_light_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M119_howitzer
M119 direct fire drill
“Embarassing” seems a flippant response but I don’t know what other one to have, this is so far past “brutal”, “senseless” and “needlessly violent”. War at a baseline is senseless, but this? What do you even call this?
I honestly think this will be remembered as one of the largest military blunders of modern history, the scale and ineffectiveness of Russia’s strategy is staggering and military historians all over the world will use the Russian side of this war as the obvious touchstone to speak to how not to fight a war.
5·9 days agohmm I can definitely do this with my Supernote A5 eink tablet.
Both Inkscape and Gimp can open multipage pdfs as seperate pages too… yeah that is directly editing though.
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Be afraid!!!