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In theory. And if you look at post war UK. It Def lead to a greater support for socialism, the forming of new party etc. removing our past 2 party system with a different one. The very one that no longer supports socialism.
But socialism cannot and will not grow it of nowhere. The US has never had a large support for it. The UK and much of Europe had people with respect pushing socialism in the 50 to 60. Ex soldiers seeing a whole new way of doing things built the very socialism we understand now.
The US just dose not have anyone effectively making arguments for this. Without such leaders. And honestly we also have non effective left in Europe anymore either.
Add to that. Their is absolutely no evidence of capitalism losing control. It is actually doing very well by it’s own standards. As instead ideas like socialism are losing power while capitalism is effectively moving wealth into the hands of the few and most powerful.
It is only failing by the opinion of those of us that disagree with it… and expecting that to start socialism without some major change. Is just wishful thinking.
This is a very myopic, eurocentric point of view. Capitalism in the global north is sustained by imperialism. The global south, and its suffering, is what keeps prices artificially low in the global north. This system is crumbling, and disparity is rising faster than ever in the global north as a consequence. Countries like Burkina Faso are kicking out occupiers like France, and BRICS is gaining as the west is falling in relevance.
Further, the UK did not go socialist, unless I’m misreading your meaning. Socialism, as it exists in the real world, can be found in countries like the PRC, Cuba, and former USSR. I’m not talking about welfare.
Further, the US is seeing normalization of socialism. Mamdani may be a socdem, but has implied a far more socialist line, ie collectivizing production. The assassination of the United Healthcare CEO is being met with united support among the working class parties like the Party for Socialism and Liberation are reporting record member growth.
Opinions aren’t what drive social change, material conditions evolving and changing do. The material conditions of capitalism in the west are declining, and socialism is gaining. The global south is increasingly throwing off the shackles of imperialism. If you take a very myopic, eurocentric view, then it can be easy to only see companies getting larger and larger and disparity rising, but if you zoom out this very system is pushing the profit motive and capitalism with it to the brink.
You are failing to understand my point.
I don’t disagree with the birth of capitalism. Although it is basically a new name for imperialism. It is the obvious effect of the post fudal middle class becoming the leadership post aristocratic rule. But it can also be an idea independent of its birth and leadership.
Where I disagree that anything currently existing can push those processes towards socialism. BRICC members are far from a socialist majority. Most nations in BRICC are equally supporting of the ideas of Capitalism. At least the ideas sold by those that use it for imperialism.
It is entirely possible. (Although far from probable) That BRICCs or a descendent from it. Will lead to the global south rising to take over from the current western default rule.
But for that future to be socialist it will need the leadership of those nations to think on socialist ways. And most simply do not do so ATM. Nor dose any probable event indicate a change in how these nations would run the world economy.
Unfortunately for Socialism to thrive. Yes you need opinions to have a major effect on world politics. Without it socialism as an ideal is impossible.
I’m not misunderstanding you, I simply disagree with you and your frame of analysis. Not everyone you speak to that disagrees is misunderstanding you, same with me.
You have a very idealist frame of analysis. Capitalism’s persistence is not due to ideas, but material conditions. The compulsion for socialism isn’t something won over because some people have socialist ideas, but because capitalism necessarily paves the way for socialism and creates its own demise.
Plus, the PRC is the largest economy in BRICS, and is a socialist country. Even if your frame of analysis requiring BRICS to have large socialist elements to supplant capitalism was correct, it’s already correct, China eclipses every other economy in BRICS.