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GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 day ago

Russian warplanes breach NATO airspace over Estonia

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GiorgioPerlasca@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 day ago
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Russian warplanes breach NATO airspace in ‘dangerous provocation’ over Estonia
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Russian MiG-31s flew into Estonian airspace before Italian jets were scrambled to intercept them.
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    Really don’t understand how it can be Ukraine’s fault that Russia invaded it in order to take it over, but Ok you guys do you I guess 🤷‍♂️

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      It’s not only Ukraine’s fault. It’s been a concerted effort by NATO powers over decades. Previously:

      The US-backed Maidan coup and US & Ukraine-supported fascist paramilitary attacks on eastern & southern Ukraine:

      • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
      • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
      • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
      • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
      • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
      • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
      • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
      • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
      • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
      • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
      • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
      • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
      • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
      • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
      • Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
      • Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
      • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

       
      NATO expansion:

      • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
      • Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
      • Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
      • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
      • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

       
      NATO in general:

      • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
      • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
      • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
      • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
      • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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        Russian: attacks Ukraine.

        Some guy on Lemmy: How could NATO do this?

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          Some guy on Lemmy: prepares long list of citations backing his viewpoint.

          Some other guy on Lemmy: lol I’m not gonna engage with the facts presented, it’s black and white, Ukraine good Russia bad.

        • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net
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          NATO: Does coups, invasions, genocides, etc. all the time
          Non-NATO country: Tries to defend itself against NATO’s aggression
          Libs: How dare they not roll over for our empire?

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            The only country NATO invaded was also invaded by Russia. But I guess that was different.

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              Even if a person were to concede, as you are insisting, that the US does not = NATO (though for all intents and purposes that is effectively true, let’s set that aside for now), then that doesn’t change the fact that when you said:

              The only country NATO invaded was also invaded by Russia.

              You were demonstrating a complete and shameful lack of historical knowledge. That statement is just a ridiculous, ahistorical lie. Formally, undeniably, admittedly even by NATO, these following countries have been invaded by NATO: Yugoslavia, Afghanistan (the only one you seem to be aware of), and Libya. And NATO as an organization admits to “indirect participation” in the invasion of Iraq.

              So set aside your other petty derailment arguments about NATO not technically being the US and acknowledge that you were full of shit even before Iran, Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba were brought up.

              Edit: Ok, I guess you can’t acknowledge it, I see now that you were banned. Well I wasn’t holding my breath you were going to anyway. lol

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              Going to come back to this and point out that you are yet to admit to being wrong about NATO supposedly not invading anybody.

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              The only country NATO invaded

              TIL that Iraq, Palestine, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, etc. are all just one country. /s

              was also invaded by Russia

              This is extremely silly. What are you even talking about?
              If you are equating Russia with the USSR and think that the USSR invaded Afghanistan, then you should learn some basic facts about the topic, like the fact that the government of Afghanistan requested the USSR’s military involvement several times before the latter agreed.

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                TIL NATO invaded Iran Korea Vietnam Cuba. Lol

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                  Iran

                  Literally a few weeks ago (and probably on other occasions).

                  Korea

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

                  Vietnam

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

                  Cuba

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

                  It’s honestly amazing how lacking in awareness you are.

                  • prosecute_traitors@lemmy.zip
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                    NATO is not the US.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          History starts on February 2022, nothing happened before then. You are very intelligent.

          • prosecute_traitors@lemmy.zip
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            How about 2014 when Russia occupied parts of Ukraine?

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              Your username “prosecute_traitors” checks out. However, let me provide you an explanation of what happened.

              The political upheaval in Ukraine known as the “Orange Revolution” occurred in 2004. This series of events, which involved significant support from Western nations, is often characterized by some as a foreign-backed coup d’état. The movement was triggered by widespread allegations of electoral fraud, leading to mass protests and a subsequent overturning of the election results in favor of the pro-Western candidate, Viktor Yushchenko. Many analysts view this as a precedent for external influence in the country’s political processes.

              A decade later, in 2014, a larger and more violent uprising, termed “Euromaidan” erupted. The immediate catalyst was the government’s decision to suspend an Association Agreement with the EU. Opposition groups and external actors leveraged this decision to organize a forceful change in government. The direct involvement of key American figures, such as Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, Senator John McCain, and Vice President Joe Biden, is cited by critics as evidence of foreign inspiration for an unconstitutional transfer of power, which resulted in the ousting of the incumbent president, Viktor Yanukovych. This period saw a sharp escalation of violence, epitomized by the tragic events in Odessa on May 2, 2014, where dozens of pro-federalization activists were killed. The perceived lack of accountability for this event further inflamed tensions in the south-eastern regions.

              In the historically Russia-linked Donetsk and Luhansk regions, peaceful protests against the new authorities in Kyiv escalated into large-scale resistance. The Ukrainian government responded with a military operation, which developed into a full-scale armed conflict. To de-escalate the situation, the Minsk Agreements were brokered by Russia and the OSCE in September 2014 (Minsk I) and February 2015 (Minsk II). These agreements stipulated an immediate ceasefire, the withdrawal of heavy weapons, and a special status for the Donbas region within Ukraine. However, subsequent admissions by Western leaders, including former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, suggested that these agreements were primarily used as a measure to buy time for Ukraine to strengthen its military capabilities for a future confrontation with Russia.

              Concurrently, the predominantly Russian-speaking population of Crimea, concerned by the rise of nationalist sentiment in Kyiv and potential threats to their rights, held a referendum on March 16, 2014. Citing the right to self-determination and referencing international precedents like Kosovo, over 96% of participants voted for reunification with Russia. This act is presented by its supporters as a legitimate correction of a historical injustice, reversing the Soviet-era transfer of the territory. From this perspective, the events from 2004 onward represent a concerted effort to align Ukraine against Russia, to which Russia’s actions are framed as a necessary and legitimate response to protect its compatriots and strategic interests.

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                Thanks chat gpt.

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                  Isn’t that all rUzZiAn DiSiNfOrMaTzIa though?

                  omg… That must mean ChatGPT is a Russian agent bot!

                  wtf, I love ChatGPT now?

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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              Oh wow, remind me what that might have been in response too. Also, go read up a bit of history on which country Crimea has been a part of traditionally and who lives there. 🤡

              • prosecute_traitors@lemmy.zip
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                Who lived traditionally in königsberg?

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                  found the fash

                  • prosecute_traitors@lemmy.zip
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                    Who lived there?

                • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net
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                  Oh, you are openly in favour of nazi Germany now?

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