Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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    21 hours ago

    equating them is dishonest

    Criticizing one of them on it’s individual merits while avoiding comparisons is very obviously not the same thing as equating both of them.

    and very deflective.

    LOOOOOLOLOL you can’t be serious.

    • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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      16 hours ago

      then why is it doing to the us “whataboutism”?

      it is very deflective to go both sides bad when neither exists in a vacuum. especially considering the context of the fucking world being held hostage by the us.

      i find it hard to believe westerners hate china that hard on it’s own merits, because it doesn’t warrant that at all.

      but i do find it curious they always want to remove all context or straight up lie to criticize china, because that’s the only way westerners can.

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        16 hours ago

        then why is doing it to the us “whataboutism”?

        I don’t know how to be any more clear this. Using whataboutism is using whataboutism. If I talk about China and you say “but what about US!”, that’s a whataboutism, because we’re not talking about the US. And vise versa. It’s a clear attempt to excuse and deflect blame away from the topic at hand and onto someone else.

        it is very deflective to go both sides bad

        I’m glad you finally understand.

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          14 hours ago

          and you still don’t seem to get that condemning “rampant ccp propaganda!” when we praise it’s accomplishments is not honest, and that neither country is in a vacuum.

          today’s us colonial and fascist strategy is directly related to how they want to hurt china, and that also shows in the anti-chinese western narrative. and you don’t really have the moral high ground to criticize them in light of this.

          neatly wrapped in a single word to deflect us responsibility for the shitty state of the world.

          i repeated that point a couple of times in different ways, so i’m just gonna wish you a nice day, and may your mind eventually be freed from that.

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            14 hours ago

            You can repeat the same nonsense all you want, it’s still nonsense. I hope one day your “mind is freed” from comparing everything to the worst possible example as an excuse for bad behavior.

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              13 hours ago

              you guys are the ones coming up with chinese propaganda allegations then immediately deflecting when we point out you think like that because you are immersed in anticommunist propaganda yourselves.

              i’m not gonna play the game of exchanging insults with you as i have nothing against you personally, i’m just hoping you free yourself from it eventually.

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                13 hours ago

                You didn’t “point out” anything, you deflected to another country while ignoring the discussion at hand (AKA whataboutism) which is what tankies do every single time. It’s almost like you have nothing else…

                • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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                  12 hours ago

                  we have all been pointing this out in this entire thread.

                  if you want to know what more we have, you can ask any of the many communists in the fediverse about it instead of referring to them with an anticommunist pejorative.