Tell me, which definitions of a story are you aware of, then?
Because I can’t find a single one that even slightly supports your naive garbage. A story is narration. (from latin narrare, to tell) and a narrative has a plot and a plot has a beginning, a middle and an end.
I’m not conflating shit. You’re pretending you can tell a narrative without touching any conventions (which go back tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years).
Just because you don’t get the art film doesn’t mean it didn’t have a beginning, a middle and an end. If it doesn’t then it’s just okay to only watch a portion of it? And since there’s no end or start, you can just watch a random 10 min from anywhere and backwards or forwards… riiight? Because that’s what you’re saying, dimwit.
Just like with the structure of a narrative, you’re completely wrong. I have never said I don’t like 2001. But will you accept that? Ofc you won’t.
a story is a narrative construct. it doesn’t need any particular structure. I mean, yeah in writing 101 class they tell you it needs all sorts of things, but writing 101 is a vast oversimplification of the diversity of stories and narratives that are possible and exist. I read plenty of books and watch films that have no clear linear narrative, and some of which the point of the movie/film is that such narratives themselves are suspect, oftentimes in the effort to reflect or explore the non-linearity of human consciousness. You seem to think only the writing 101 definition is the only legitimate way to think of things and claiming everything that isn’t neat and tidy.
Just because my writing teacher demands a particular story structure, doesn’t mean that’s the only type of structure that is valid. It’s juts the one that’s valid for getting a good grade in her class. When you start reading stuff at more advanced levels the ‘rules’ you are taught typically no longer apply or are optional. That’s true of a lot of things. And some of my teachers think I’m a major asshole for talking about things that don’t fit into the neat little writing 101 formula.
Yeah it’s totally OK to only watch a portion of it. When I wrote papers for film class I typically focused on one scene or segment and watched in dozens of times and wrote specifically about that. That’s what film class is. You watch the movie as a whole, then break it down into components and learn how they function, and work together. You also figure out what may be problematic and identify the influences, target audience, and lots of other things.
My mom has dementia. Linearity no longer exists for her. Her memories are all jumbled and she conflates the past with the present and has no sense of time or identity anymore. I read a book called Wittgenstein’s Mistress that is about a person with dementia. The book has no story in the conventional sense. It is a first person story about someone who keeps reliving their memories and can’t make new ones and the repeated memories keep changing and distorting. It was incredibly powerful because it helped me understand and empathize with what is going on inside my mother’s brain. I’m sure for you such a novel would be a confusing piece of shit that made zero sense. It has no plot, no storyline, no conclusions, and arguable, no characters. Yet it still tells a clear and distinct story about a person.
Ofc it does. You still haven’t given a single example of these things you pretend can be true. (Which they aren’t.)
Stories do have a beginning middle and end. That’s what a narrative structure means. No matter how much you break fourth walls or film a movie like Memento, it still has a start an end and a beginning, as does 2001. (Which I never said I disliked or liked, just to reiterate as you got me confused with someone else there.)
I read plenty of books and watch films that have no clear linear narrative, a
“no clean linear narrative” doesn’t mean it’s not a narrative with a start and an end
Just like no-one would describe you as (I’m just assuming gender now but whatever doesn’t make the point any different) a handsome and successful man, but I still think you can be described as a man (or a woman).
So your “no clear linear” is just shifting goalposts.
a particular story structure, doesn’t mean that’s the only type of structure that is valid.
And why would it? But see, even you point out the alternative is other storySTRUCTURES because stories have structures. Mainly a beginning and an end, when you generalise enough. But narrative stories do have structure.
You’ve still not given a simple example or a narrative story without a beginning a middle and an end, have you?
Oh little babby is trying to be condescending while talking utter shite out of his arse, how adorable.
I point to literally all stories. Just because some narratives are more convoluted than others doesn’t mean they don’t begin and end, dumbo.
Oh you do give an example… of what you point out isn’t a story as such. Because it’s not a narrative. Did I ever say all written art is stories? I don’t think I did. But I get it… You’re not here to argue or with an open mind. You just said something dumb and now refuse to accept you did.
You’re even confusing me with someone else.
Tell me, which definitions of a story are you aware of, then?
Because I can’t find a single one that even slightly supports your naive garbage. A story is narration. (from latin narrare, to tell) and a narrative has a plot and a plot has a beginning, a middle and an end.
I’m not conflating shit. You’re pretending you can tell a narrative without touching any conventions (which go back tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years).
Just because you don’t get the art film doesn’t mean it didn’t have a beginning, a middle and an end. If it doesn’t then it’s just okay to only watch a portion of it? And since there’s no end or start, you can just watch a random 10 min from anywhere and backwards or forwards… riiight? Because that’s what you’re saying, dimwit.
Just like with the structure of a narrative, you’re completely wrong. I have never said I don’t like 2001. But will you accept that? Ofc you won’t.
a story is a narrative construct. it doesn’t need any particular structure. I mean, yeah in writing 101 class they tell you it needs all sorts of things, but writing 101 is a vast oversimplification of the diversity of stories and narratives that are possible and exist. I read plenty of books and watch films that have no clear linear narrative, and some of which the point of the movie/film is that such narratives themselves are suspect, oftentimes in the effort to reflect or explore the non-linearity of human consciousness. You seem to think only the writing 101 definition is the only legitimate way to think of things and claiming everything that isn’t neat and tidy.
Just because my writing teacher demands a particular story structure, doesn’t mean that’s the only type of structure that is valid. It’s juts the one that’s valid for getting a good grade in her class. When you start reading stuff at more advanced levels the ‘rules’ you are taught typically no longer apply or are optional. That’s true of a lot of things. And some of my teachers think I’m a major asshole for talking about things that don’t fit into the neat little writing 101 formula.
Yeah it’s totally OK to only watch a portion of it. When I wrote papers for film class I typically focused on one scene or segment and watched in dozens of times and wrote specifically about that. That’s what film class is. You watch the movie as a whole, then break it down into components and learn how they function, and work together. You also figure out what may be problematic and identify the influences, target audience, and lots of other things.
My mom has dementia. Linearity no longer exists for her. Her memories are all jumbled and she conflates the past with the present and has no sense of time or identity anymore. I read a book called Wittgenstein’s Mistress that is about a person with dementia. The book has no story in the conventional sense. It is a first person story about someone who keeps reliving their memories and can’t make new ones and the repeated memories keep changing and distorting. It was incredibly powerful because it helped me understand and empathize with what is going on inside my mother’s brain. I’m sure for you such a novel would be a confusing piece of shit that made zero sense. It has no plot, no storyline, no conclusions, and arguable, no characters. Yet it still tells a clear and distinct story about a person.
Ofc it does. You still haven’t given a single example of these things you pretend can be true. (Which they aren’t.)
Stories do have a beginning middle and end. That’s what a narrative structure means. No matter how much you break fourth walls or film a movie like Memento, it still has a start an end and a beginning, as does 2001. (Which I never said I disliked or liked, just to reiterate as you got me confused with someone else there.)
“no clean linear narrative” doesn’t mean it’s not a narrative with a start and an end
Just like no-one would describe you as (I’m just assuming gender now but whatever doesn’t make the point any different) a handsome and successful man, but I still think you can be described as a man (or a woman).
So your “no clear linear” is just shifting goalposts.
And why would it? But see, even you point out the alternative is other story STRUCTURES because stories have structures. Mainly a beginning and an end, when you generalise enough. But narrative stories do have structure.
You’ve still not given a simple example or a narrative story without a beginning a middle and an end, have you?
Oh little babby is trying to be condescending while talking utter shite out of his arse, how adorable.
I point to literally all stories. Just because some narratives are more convoluted than others doesn’t mean they don’t begin and end, dumbo.
Oh you do give an example… of what you point out isn’t a story as such. Because it’s not a narrative. Did I ever say all written art is stories? I don’t think I did. But I get it… You’re not here to argue or with an open mind. You just said something dumb and now refuse to accept you did.