I mean, that’s what already happened with Lemmingrad.
I personally don’t care what their opinions are, but funny thing is that they can defederate from pretty much all instances where they feel attacked. As long as this doesn’t change in the future with the fediverse, I’m okay with that
The beauty of the fediverse is that the last panel can’t happen.
We control our own instances. There’s no world where admins wouldn’t defederate from any Facebook attempt to barge in.
Maybe a few larger instances sell out, but users hold the power here now. If an admin betrays our trust, we’ll just make a new instance.
Even more than defederating, it’s in the hands of users. If people were to flood in from somewhere with bad intentions, it would likely be from one or two servers. At that point, just block those servers/communities from your view and continue about your day
At that point, just block those servers/communities from your view and continue about your day
But what if those servers/instances are the ones which has quality communities in it and what if the users and owners of those communities refuse to migrate to new server/instance? Wouldn’t that be the same case of reddit where the user base is split and the new migrated server/instance needs building again?
DING DING DING. Here’s Facebook’s playbook:
- Create close sourced ActivityPub implementation to federate with mastodon/lemmy and gain users.
- Offer better experience than competition via exclusive features, reliability, more communities, etc.
- Once enough users have been obtained, completely defederate from fediverse.
This is absolutely a bad outcome and I hope the pact prevents this from playing out.
However, I feel kind of ok with losing the subset of users that would accept and use a Facebook implementation of the fediverse. It directly defeats the purpose, regardless of how much better the UI/UX may be, and shows they didn’t understand it in the first place.Best thing we can hope for is a competitor to appear or something and then have a very split fediverse between instances, hence you cannot defederate without causing major harm
Reminds me a bit of how to deal with gangrene. Chop the leg at the ankle or the knee, drastic as it is, is better than lose the entire leg from the waist down, maybe some jewels included.
In support of your statement, here’s the Fedipact, signed by so many servers and communities across the Fediverse to not let Meta (or any other corpo, in that matter) to barge into the federation:
They could defederate servers that don’t do exactly what they want and servers that are defederated might capitulate. The last frame is very possible and we’ve already seen it start to happen with thedonald on shitjustworks.
Edit: that said, I know the Donald comes from Reddit so it’s not the best example. But it’s an example of the method by which the last panel could happen.
That’s not really what happened here. It was 1 guy who made a community. That 1 guy was banned and his community was deleted for breaking the rules (specifically rule 2, no bigotry). Just before he got banned, people on other instances were freaking out like we just had the entire population of /r/the_donald join up here when it was 1 troll who broke our rules.
people on other instances were freaking out like we just had the entire population of /r/the_donald join up here when it was 1 troll who broke our rules.
That same strategy can be used to police the fediverse. If policing is possible, then the last panel of the comic is possible.
ELI5 on thedonald please
It was a super bigoted alt-right subreddit that eventually got banned
Someone recreated it on sh.itjust.works and started posting garbage
The greater fediverse caught wind of it and called for sh.itjust.works to be defederated.
The sh.itjust.works admins got rid of TD (and the user, I believe)
I’m not sure, but I believe at least a couple of instances defederated sh.itjust.works for a bit before letting it back in once action was taken
Thanks!
Me, who only made an account because I was banned from Reddit and has no idea how Fediverse stuff works: whistles nervously
Meanwhile I fled to Lemmy from Reddit because I need a place to show art without being under some platform whose vision and actions I don’t support
Pixelfed is viable option too, i would love to see your art there!
you should be able to follow him from pixelfed. that’s kind of a point of fediverse.
No offense, but how do you manage to get banned from Reddit? A certain sub, sure, but the entire website?
A popular french redditor who had a fun passion fir road signage got banned from reddit to state in a right-wing reddit (/r/europe) about the riots in France, that sometimes you only get progress through violence. He was banned for promoting violence.
Commenting “GUILLOTINE!” at some political news was likely considered promoting violence enough so that the /r/france mods got instructions from reddit mods.
I feel like this happened because of the Jan 6th coup attempt in Washington. I totally understand their position, but it is a bit tiring that Americans believe that their own political mindset of the moment is universal. France has far more legal restrictions on free speech yet it feels like American media censor themselves much more.
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They ban people very selectively and its always ideologically motivated. There was a period of time where you would get a 3-day ban for just upvoting the wrong posts. So you could lurk and still get banned for some reason. That happened to me multiple times before I decided to delete my account.
you have my attention, which wrong posts did you upvote?
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I downvoted an unpopular admin comment once and got suspended for 3 days for “brigading”. It was in the negative thousands.
Nevermind I went to the subreddit for announcements, found that heavily downvoted comment, thought it added nothing to the discussion, because it was fundamentally ridiculous in my mind, and they determined that those actions constituted “brigading”.
Said that I would murder andrew tate is given the opportunity and apparently that counts as a credible threat of violence
That is very violent phrasing and you only deem it ok because it’s geared toward the “right kind of people”
I’m fine with that
Banned from Reddit? What’d you do, tell Spez to go fuck himself?
I told him to fuck himself plenty and never even got aknowlaged
It’s often enough to say a bad word about russians and you get permabanned.
Can’t say I’ve ever experienced that, and there’s whole, major subreddits basically dedicated to doing just that…
we’re in the same boat haha
First post with 1000 upvoats
There have been a few before
nuh uh
Beehaw did it already :)
Not that I blame them.
Beehaw’s degeneration is actually temporary. They said they would like to refederate with major instances when there’s better mod tools available. The problem is they’re only 4 admins and don’t really have the capability to moderate that well right now.
I don’t get why they don’t appoint a ton of community moderators. Lemmy allows admins to appoint community mods, and parent mods can create child mods that they control.
Is there some sort of specific feature they need that is currently missing? If so, what?
Or do the admins just not want to delegate / relinquish power to others in the community?
they’re only 4 admins and don’t really have the capability to moderate that well right now
We know, they continually remind us.
In your entire comment history, this is actually the least hostile comment you’ve ever made. Amazing
Everyone makes mistakes. I’m sure he intended it to be more hostile. Maybe next time. :)
Bazinga
Beehaw did the opposite. If you are from reddit, you are not the pink people. You are the grey ones. Beehaw said no before the fourth panel happened.
Hey! There’s no way for an individual to defederate without running their own instance. I think my first comment was asking how I could remove beehaw
There are multiple types of people coming from Reddit. I’m here looking for more critical discussion. Beehaw gives me cult vibes.
Soon? This has pretty much already happened with lemmygrad
Dude… Like…
Duuuude…
I don’t know how to phrase this, but Reddit was getting filled with… Normal people? Nongeeks? The socially adept?
I’m sooo glad to be back with silly peeps. I missed that sense of critical self awareness haha. And I’ve been able to express some controversial opinions without getting locked and banned, which is mellowing as fuck.
I believe reddit was simply filled with all kinds of people. There is an array of subs to choose from with different interests and activity levels. I find it silly that people on reddit consider themselves “non-normal” and “geeky”. I don’t think you’re that special.
I can say things like:
“I like Brains faggots more than any other brand” and “Retard the accelerator” without my comment being deleted and/or Reddit-banned for hate-speech.
I once got suspended from Reddit for saying: “The Scots weren’t innocent during the British Empire. They were used for a lot of rape & murder”.
It was considered racist. Until I appealed with 2 academic history papers that showed the Scottish Highlanders were considered a “martial race” and were used extensively in colonial campaigns during the British Empire. I really don’t want to have to fucking educate dumb-as-brick Yank admins who don’t know history or language beyond their shores.
I was finally site-suspended and can’t create new users because a mod accused me of evading a sub ban. I didn’t. Another mod just unbanned me cos the reason I got banned originally was idiotic. The mod didn’t care. Re-banned me so my 15yo account got permanently suspended by the admins.
I’m done with that fucking site.
The first part of your post is really confusing. Why would you talk like you’re using English from 1930s? Is English your second language?
No. I’m 40yrs old and I don’t keep up with the modern-day lingo. 😂
Also I’m British so I speak British English. “Fags” are cigarettes and “faggots” are a type of food.
Seems you were intentionally trying to seek attention by saying shit people actually don’t want to hear and claiming it’s fine based off a technicality. Your so edgy bro. Don’t call other people stupid just because they see beyond your attempt to be clever.
Don’t call other people stupid just because they see beyond your attempt to be clever.
You think I’m trying to be clever by speaking my own language?
You think I speak my own language to seem “edgy”?
The word “faggot” on reddit gets site-wide deleted which means even saying it in the UK subs where people will know the meaning it would get deleted. Yes it’s happened and that’s fucking moronic.
It’d be like banning Spaniards from their own subs for saying "Tiene negro gato ".
We speak the same fucking language. Your metafore of Spanish and negro is irrelevant. You guys seriously run around, on what is an AMERICAN platform and think that the word of choice for a cigarette, a smoke, a stogey, is “faggot”? Not fag, but faggot? That is the word you want to use? Even though you have many other choices of words, that is it? And you are surprised?
I remember elementary school when we laughed about fag meaning a cigarette. Then I turned 8.
No but like seriously, I guess maybe I am missing some perspective. You guys just like use it in commonplace? Like, “Hey Benedict, I’m gonna go suck on this faggot over here” or “Hey Charles, it’s time for my fag break”
/c/shitamericanssay
Wait until you hear about faggots and peas
The fanny pack never did take off in the U.K…
Did you just call somebody’s language you inherit a technicality? I swear to god you yanks are something else with your lack of education and common sense. I guess the only way to afford thousand of ICBMs is to defund the school. Bless you
