Disgusting. Hire a human.
“China has exploitative labour!”
China: “OK we’re using robots to keep labour costs low without exploiting anyone”
“Wait, not like that”
Things I never said.
Only people traumatized by living in capitalist states would be upset about manual labor being automated.
Do you know of a country who pays their manual laborers a living wage even if they don’t have work?
Ones that don’t exploit immigration or prison as a source of cheap labour. AKA nowhere in the West.
So, what are the names?
Cuba for one. China has been working very hard towards it (to a much further extent than any Western country) but due to their massive population it’s debatable of they’ve gotten there for every single labour job yet, but they will.
Cuba’s labor exploitation exists even without private sweatshops: the state monopolizes most employment, forbids independent unions and collective bargaining, prevents workers from freely changing jobs or negotiating pay, and in key sectors the government confiscates passports, imposes penalties for leaving assignments, monitors workers, and keeps the majority of wages paid by foreign governments, all of which meet internationally recognized indicators of coercive and exploitative labor, regardless of whether the employer is the state rather than a private firm.
That, if true (since you didn’t link any sources), sounds at worst like the kind of exploitation that Westerners like you and me rely on (from “undocumented” or even documented immigrants in your own country, resource extraction sectors in developing countries, cheap overseas manufacturing, etc) that allows us to make the illusion of a living wage from what little work we do in comparison. In reality Cuba would actually be far less exploitative than us because we do all of what you described and much, much worse to people you never see or think about. Where did that cobalt in your phone come from? What about your chocolate? Where does your e-waste go after you drop it off at a big box store before buying the newest thing? Cuba at least doesn’t prop up their own citizens at the great expense of people they deem less important.
I’m not aware of any country where there isn’t enough work to go around. And last I checked, China doesn’t have problems with homeless or unemployment. Socialism doesn’t require people to work for the sake of work. In a socialist system, if it ever gets to the point where there’s not enough work to go around the solution would be to reduce working hours.
China does have unemployment but it’s rare that it results in homelessness due to how cheap it is to live there. There’s also the fact that China has mandated plots of family land for every individual to prepare their own lodging on. I know a person that had their Hukou visa expire for a smaller regional city and they lived in a yurt in Inner Mongolia for a little while on their government mandated plot while they saved money to build a house on it. Not great, but it’s a place they are legally allowed to do such a thing for no cost. Each plot also already has electric and water hookups. If you really wanted to you could just vegetate on a little plot like that somewhere and grow your own food
I think you should check again, seeing as China has unemployment issues. Something that is very well known and documented. Of course, that would mean you’d have to accept facts, and I think ML are incapable of that. Keep simping!
That’s considered pretty good in most countries.
So you admit there is unemployment, how do you think other ML are going to react to that statement? Is there 5% homelessness too or are you too scared to talk about it now?
USA is 4.3% ( if you trust that number)
Anything between 4-6% is generally considered full employment by most countries, including the US. At that level the unemployment mostly consists of people between jobs, rather than people in long-term unemployment where they have no hope of finding work.
The homelessness number you’re referencing is misleading. They’re not unhoused, they’re living outside of their registered address. A day laborer that moves from city to city and stays in group homes is considered “homeless” but they’re not actually living on the street. Much of rural China has yet to be developed to a level that can sustain employment, so they have to migrate.
Not that you care.
More busywork, more bullshit jobs, more alienation of labor, for no reason except the system demands it. The longer capitalism is outdated, the more it turns into a self-serving tumor.
Yes but, automation has never in history lead to utopia. Think about the labor unions, Marxist. Gotta kill the billionaires first. Can’t be a communist country with billionaires.
