The head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy said that by providing drone support to Israel, Ukraine has “effectively become involved in the war.”

Zelenskyy earlier stated that Kyiv has already deployed interceptor drones and a team of specialists to help protect US military bases in Jordan.

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    When you’re too dumb to tell the difference between government spending and the overall economy.

    The government are the biggest spenders in the economy, 40% of government spending going on war is a significant economic driver. If you do not understand this simple fact your teachers and parents should be ashamed of you. This is before we get into the off the books spending on the war, commercial banks being forced to lend to defencs companies that is unlikely to be repaid. This would double Russia’s war spend to closer to the 15% of GDP that brought down the soviet union. I don’t care about the USA and hope they go bust just like Russia.

    Last I looked growth in Europe is worse than in Russia

    Incorrect again, Russian growth 2025 was 1%, the EU which is 10 times the size of Russia’s economy grew at 1.5% despite further weaning off cheap Russian oil.

    and nobody even knows wtf is going on in the US because they’re cooking their numbers. Anybody who isn’t lying would obviously mention this fact.

    Hilarious hypocrisy coming from a Russian supporter. Russia has not released their real financials since the war began, we can only estimate from the limited data we have because they are obscuring the real situation. The USA has always had the most detailed published financial figures, this transparency is a reason they have the biggest economy. Under trump they have started hiding the jobs figures but not much else.

    Anybody who isn’t lying would obviously mention this fact.

    Then why didn’t you mention Russian obfuscation? By your own standards you must by lying then!

    Anybody who has a functioning brain would understand why China would not want Russia to collapse economically.

    I can’t believe you are quoting Rand, the dumbest of all the think-tanks. Do a little bit of research on them before using them as a source, makes you look quite uneducated. Rand and yourself clearly do not understand China’s goals and motivations. I fortunately have Chinese family and a foot in that world so I can educate you. China thinks Russia was stupid to start the war with Europe especially since they left 300 billion in EU control when going to war with them. Without China’s support Russia would have lost the war a long time ago. China is giving Russia enough support to keep going but not enough to win the war. A long war causes more damage to Russia and pushes them deeper under China’s thumb as a vassal state. China still wants Manchuria back, look at how few Russians live in the area and how many Chinese live both over the border and over the Russian side. What is to stop China taking the land to protect the ethnic Chinese living there? This process has already begun.

    One large customer being all of BRICS

    Brics is a Mickey mouse organisation, how much oil has India bought from Russia since the secondary sanctions kicked in recently? India are exploring the cheap Russian oil when it suits them and making bank off Russia’s resources. They then leave Russia high and dry when the going gets tough, great friends!

    Oh wow, official deficit of 2.6% of GDP. That sounds terrible!! Remind me what that’s like for western countries again Einstein

    It’s like talking to a small child who doesn’t understand, the emojis really add to this impression. Western countries can borrow to fund deficits, nobody has been willing to lend to Russia since the war started despite Russia offering huge returns. Russia needs to find deficits from its rapidly diminishing sovereign wealth fund. Even China will not lend to Russia as the anticipated a default.

    If you have been following this conflict at all then you would be aware that Russian milibloggers are the biggest drama queens around.

    They have given us the only view inside the Russian war machine other than the state narrative. You can believe the state of you like or vibes or whatever, I will continue to trust the best source of inside information we have, typically from the troops themselves.

    There is no war in Ba Sing Se, keep feeding me delicious propaganda daddy Putin, eat it up good, yum yum. Let’s talk about the mobile internet blackouts in Moscow the last 2 weeks, this does not sound like winning to me. Sounds like daddy Putin is afraid of a coup.

    You can continue to enjoy the hardship you are so great at tolerating. Life in Europe has not changed one bit, nobody even talks about the war in Ukraine, not now, barely even in 2022. It’s big news for you guys though as you endure hardships that we don’t even notice. Martyrs for nothing, lol.

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      Incorrect again, Russian growth 2025 was 1%, the EU which is 10 times the size of Russia’s economy grew at 1.5% despite further weaning off cheap Russian oil.

      What you clearly seem to be missing is that the quality of the economy that matters. In Russia, the economy consists of actual industry and material production. While EU economy is largely bullshit jobs like the service industry. That’s how Russia producing a year’s worth of NATO ammunition in three months. This is the same idiocy propagandists were parroting claiming that the size of Russian economy was same as Italy. You should learn what GDP actually measures before making a clown of yourself in public.

      Hilarious hypocrisy coming from a Russian supporter. Russia has not released their real financials since the war began, we can only estimate from the limited data we have because they are obscuring the real situation. The USA has always had the most detailed published financial figures, this transparency is a reason they have the biggest economy. Under trump they have started hiding the jobs figures but not much else.

      We can see Russia’s output in concrete numbers of trade and military production. And the fact that Russian industrial output is outpacing all of NATO says all we need to know here. We can also see the trade numbers with countries like China and India which keep growing.

      Then why didn’t you mention Russian obfuscation? By your own standards you must by lying then!

      Hilarious of you to clutch your pearls after outright dismissing western media showing how European economies are collapsing as fear mongering.

      I can’t believe you are quoting Rand, the dumbest of all the think-tanks. Do a little bit of research on them before using them as a source, makes you look quite uneducated.

      RAND consistently represents the US government motivations dronie. Nobody was saying that it represents China’s motivations, you just have poor reading comprehension. It’s not just RAND of course. Mainstream US media has been very open about the goals https://nationalinterest.org/feature/strategy-avoiding-two-front-war-192137

      Without China’s support Russia would have lost the war a long time ago. China is giving Russia enough support to keep going but not enough to win the war. A long war causes more damage to Russia and pushes them deeper under China’s thumb as a vassal state.

      LMAO this is what we call projection because it’s precisely what’s happening to Europe right now. Having been cut off from Russian energy, Europeans are entirely dependent on the US now. And being vassals themselves can’t help but imagine the same situation happening with Russia and China. Absolutely fucking hilarious.

      Brics is a Mickey mouse organisation, how much oil has India bought from Russia since the secondary sanctions kicked in recently?

      Cope harder!

      India are exploring the cheap Russian oil when it suits them and making bank off Russia’s resources. They then leave Russia high and dry when the going gets tough, great friends!

      Amazing things are happening in the fantasy world you inhabit.

      Western countries can borrow to fund deficits, nobody has been willing to lend to Russia since the war started despite Russia offering huge returns. Russia needs to find deficits from its rapidly diminishing sovereign wealth fund. Even China will not lend to Russia as the anticipated a default.

      It’s like talking to a small child who doesn’t understand, the emojis really add to this impression. You don’t even understand how fiat currencies work. Russia can do the exact same type of money printing the west does. They simply haven’t had a reason to do that so far. Nobody with a working brain anticipates any Russian default. I love how you just make up stuff and expect people to take it seriously.

      They have given us the only view inside the Russian war machine other than the state narrative. You can believe the state of you like or vibes or whatever, I will continue to trust the best source of inside information we have, typically from the troops themselves.

      And they’re constantly proven to be wrong, but hey why look at what’s actually happening in the war when you can just cherry pick information that feeds into your delusions right?

      You can continue to enjoy the hardship you are so great at tolerating. Life in Europe has not changed one bit, nobody even talks about the war in Ukraine, not now, barely even in 2022. It’s big news for you guys though as you endure hardships that we don’t even notice. Martyrs for nothing, lol.

      Stay smug little fash, life’s about to get real hard for you and I’m here for it.

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        What you clearly seem to be missing is that the quality of the economy that matters. In Russia, the economy consists of actual industry and material production.

        Tripping over your own shoe laces right out of the fat once again, impressive. The EU has a much larger and more diverse manufacturing sector both in raw size and as a percentage of GDP. Remember the EU economy is 10 times the size of Russia’s, the EUs manufacturing output alone is larger than the Russian economy. Russia’s manufacturing sector has increased since the war, this is largely military industrial output. Russian manufacturing has also faced a severe manpower shortage lately for some reason. Russia is a resource mining and export economy, a “gas station” if you will.

        And the fact that Russian industrial output is outpacing all of NATO says all we need to know here.

        I am sure you mean military industrial output because overall industrial output we have seen is not bigger. Have you ever thought that maybe Russias military industrial output is bigger because they are at war and NATO are not? Are you actually for real?

        Trade numbers with India and China has naturally gone up as Russia is a commodity exporter and their previous largest customers don’t want to do business any more so Russia has picked the next best option.

        Hilarious of you to clutch your pearls after outright dismissing western media showing how European economies are collapsing as fear mongering.

        What you call pearl clutching I call reality. It is a fact that Russia is not releasing all of their financial information, this is not a secret. Since 2022, Russia has systematically restricted access to key statistics, removing over 168 tables from statistical yearbooks and halting updates to over 115 indicators on the EMISS system. Hidden data includes detailed household incomes, budgetary expenditures, state salaries, and trade figures, aiming to conceal the war’s true economic impact.

        I have not seen any evidence of “European economies collapsing”. Many would say they have weathered the storm of losing the untrustworthy supplier they developed an overdependence on quite well.

        RAND consistently represents the US government motivations dronie

        No, it is a right wing think tank that is famous for being consistently incorrect from its mistakes in getting America to go to war in Vietnam and then to prolong it all the way up to the Iraq war. Rand represents the view points of its biggest doners and no credible person should take them seriously due to their track record. Look it up for yourself dronie.

        LMAO this is what we call projection because it’s precisely what’s happening to Europe right now.

        Not projection, you are correct about European position under the USA and it has been this way since WW2. Russia used to be sovereign, it is no longer, now it is completely dependent on China the way Europe is on the USA. How does it feel to be the proxy?

        . Russia can do the exact same type of money printing the west does. They simply haven’t had a reason to do that so far. Nobody with a working brain anticipates any Russian default

        There is a difference between borrowing on the bond market and printing money. Your response makes it sound like you don’t understand this. You also don’t seem to be aware that the Russian money machine has been going brrrr since COVID,they have been printing money like crazy! https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/money-supply-m2

        Russia has been trying and failing to raise money on the bond markets since the war started, still no takers because everybody believes Russia will default like they always do. This is not secret information, it has been widely reported on.

        And they’re constantly proven to be wrong, but hey why look at what’s actually happening in the war when you can just cherry pick information that feeds into your delusions right?

        The milibloggers getting info from the front lines? Individuals have been wrong, but when they are all talking about front line collapse, inability to counter drones and lack of communications all at once you should start to believe. Where do you get your information from? I would love to know what source you have more reliable than the Russian milibloggers.

        Stay smug little fash, life’s about to get real hard for you and I’m here for it.

        Somehow I doubt it. I love in Ireland, we are cool here. My biggest problem at the moment is that I have to wait 6 weeks for my new giant sliding doors to be imported from Barcelona. First world problems, I know. I appreciate your sympathy but you should really spend it on someone more deserving.

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          The EU has a much larger and more diverse manufacturing sector both in raw size and as a percentage of GDP.

          Absolutely hilarious how you continue to claim this even after I’ve already linked you a bunch of articles showing that industry in the EU is collapsing. My favorite part about your low effort trolling is how you never provide any links to support your bombastic claims.

          Russia’s manufacturing sector has increased since the war, this is largely military industrial output. Russian manufacturing has also faced a severe manpower shortage lately for some reason. Russia is a resource mining and export economy, a “gas station” if you will.

          It’s not, I’ve already linked you an article explaining this. All the industrial niches that were left by western companies leaving were naturally filled in by domestic companies. All the assets, such as factories you idiots left, were taken over by Russian companies.

          Have you ever thought that maybe Russias military industrial output is bigger because they are at war and NATO are not? Are you actually for real?

          Oh hey, why can’t NATO ramp up its own output numbnuts? Dumbfuck western politicians kept claiming this would happen, and yet you losers are simply unable to do that.

          Trade numbers with India and China has naturally gone up as Russia is a commodity exporter and their previous largest customers don’t want to do business any more so Russia has picked the next best option.

          Oh dummy now admits that Russia had no problem diverting its exports to countries outside the west, which incidentally directly hurts western economies. You imbeciles are directly competing with China and India and their input costs are now lower. That’s part of the reason your economies are collapsing.

          What you call pearl clutching I call reality.

          The reality is that you’re a liar, and I’m simply pointing out how you have zero consistency.

          I have not seen any evidence of “European economies collapsing”. Many would say they have weathered the storm of losing the untrustworthy supplier they developed an overdependence on quite well.

          Literally did see it from mainstream western sources I linked in this very thread, and then proceeded to say you don’t believe it.

          Rand represents the view points of its biggest doners and no credible person should take them seriously due to their track record. Look it up for yourself dronie.

          You keep telling yourself that child.

          Not projection, you are correct about European position under the USA and it has been this way since WW2. Russia used to be sovereign, it is no longer, now it is completely dependent on China the way Europe is on the USA. How does it feel to be the proxy?

          Europeans are chortling American balls right now, and when the orange man says jump you lot say how high. You’re an expendable proxy for Americans. Meanwhile, Russia is very obviously not dependent on China the way you are dependent on the US because Russia produces its own necessities such as food and energy. And having energy production is what’s required for having functional domestic industry.

          There is a difference between borrowing on the bond market and printing money.

          On tiny problem for the west, and especially the US which Eurotrash is entirely dependent on, is that relying on bond markets to borrow trillions works great until it doesn’t. When the government sucks up all the available capital by selling debt it crowds out private businesses that cant get loans to expand which means the economy stagnates while government spending keeps demand high creating that stagflation scenario where nothing grows but prices still go up. Investors start looking at 36 trillion in debt and get nervous if they ever demand higher interest rates to compensate for the risk suddenly the government is spending way more just to service the debt and those higher rates trickle down to mortgages car loans and credit cards for regular people. And if confidence really cracks the currency weakens making everything you import more expensive which is just another flavor of inflation hitting everyone at the grocery store. So the west is basically walking a tightrope where the very thing keeping us afloat today massive borrowing could be the thing that drags us down tomorrow.

          You also don’t seem to be aware that the Russian money machine has been going brrrr since COVID,they have been printing money like crazy! https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/money-supply-m2

          That’s cute, now compare that with the US.

          Russia has been trying and failing to raise money on the bond markets since the war started, still no takers because everybody believes Russia will default like they always do. This is not secret information, it has been widely reported on.

          Meanwhile, in the real world https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202512/1349491.shtml

          The milibloggers getting info from the front lines? Individuals have been wrong, but when they are all talking about front line collapse, inability to counter drones and lack of communications all at once you should start to believe. Where do you get your information from? I would love to know what source you have more reliable than the Russian milibloggers.

          I get my information from mainstream western media which, if you actually follow it, clearly explains that Russia is steadily making progress in Ukraine, that western support is fading, and that Ukraine is steadily collapsing both militarily and economically. But you keep cherry picking what your favorite milibloggers are writing because you find it oh so comforting.

          Somehow I doubt it.

          And that’s precisely what it’s gonna be hilarious when reality hits you in your smug mug.

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            Absolutely hilarious how you continue to claim this even after I’ve already linked you a bunch of articles showing that industry in the EU is collapsing

            You show me some doomer articles from right wing press like they are a slam dunk while I base my figures on actual GDP figures and statistics based on the EUs and Russia’s published financial reports. These two things are not the same, I have not seen any real evidence of EU industry collapsing, you are just a massive drama queen who believes every article they read.

            Russia has also not replaced EU companies with domestic industry, they have switched to Chinese products further increasing their dependency on China.

            NATO is increasing its weapon output but we are not under pressure to do so as we are not at war. Russia meanwhile drives ladas to the front line with no care for protecting their troops while Ukraine uses MRAPS. For all of Russia’s supposed increase in production it is not evident on the front lines. More Russian fluff and lies.

            Russia is very obviously not dependent on China the way you are dependent on the US because Russia produces its own necessities such as food and energy

            Russia’s dependency on China is existential, for the war effort and Putin regime anyway. If China withdrew support tomorrow, the Russian war effort would collapse. Russia is not an industrial or manufacturing power and could in no way support their war effort without China. Food and energy are not the only things an army needs.

            That’s cute, now compare that with the US.

            Always with the whataboutery with you guys isn’t it.

            Meanwhile, in the real world

            Further emphasising Russia’s dependence on China and vassal status.

            I get my information from mainstream western media which, if you actually follow it, clearly explains that Russia is steadily making progress in Ukraine,

            This explains why you think the way you do. If that is where you get your information you are weeks behind and are likely unaware of Ukraine’s recent improvements in drone range and tactics that are destroying Russian logistics. Ukraine are the ones taking land now as Russia attempts to recruit more Kenyan mercenaries. Why does the Russian regime keep on turning off the internet in Moscow? This doesn’t sound like something the winning side would be doing. Putin seems worried…

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              You show me some doomer articles from right wing press like they are a slam dunk while I base my figures on actual GDP figures and statistics based on the EUs and Russia’s published financial reports. These two things are not the same, I have not seen any real evidence of EU industry collapsing, you are just a massive drama queen who believes every article they read.

              I showed you articles from mainstream financial publications. You dismiss them without addressing anything they say, and then in the next breath tell me that Russian economy is collapsing because some telegram channel told you so. The fact that you don’t understand this is clown behavior is really phenomenal.

              Russia has also not replaced EU companies with domestic industry, they have switched to Chinese products further increasing their dependency on China.

              Yes they have, and you’d know this if you actually bothered reading the WaPo article I linked you earlier. You’re once again projecting here because it’s actually the EU that’s further increasing its dependency on the US as European industries flee to the US due to high energy costs in Europe. That’s what Biden’s Inflation Act was all about incidentally. Trump’s tariffs, which EU bent over for immediately, only made the whole thing worse.

              NATO is increasing its weapon output but we are not under pressure to do so as we are not at war.

              Literally every article in mainstream western media says that NATO is failing to increase its output, and obviously it is in a proxy war in Russia. The only reason Ukraine is able to keep fighting is because NATO is pouring hundreds of billions of resources taken from its own people into it every single year. That’s why the standard of living in the west is now collapsing. That’s why you dumb fucks have austerity so you can pay 5% of your GDP to NATO.

              For all of Russia’s supposed increase in production it is not evident on the front lines. More Russian fluff and lies.

              You keep on coping there dronie. Again, mainstream western media disagrees with your delusions. Here’s the reality of Ukraine. The AFU is running out of manpower, and it should be obvious to anybody who didn’t fail grade school math that Russia has a huge advantage here. Meanwhile, the west is now unable to continue supplying weapons at the rate it has been, especially now that Iran chocked off oil. And of course, since you keep braying about the economy. Why don’t we talk about the fact that Ukraine requires $160 billion in external financing is required through 2028 to cover budget deficits, which peak at $103 billion in 2026 for defense alone. That’s money coming from the pockets of mouth breathers such as yourself.

              Always with the whataboutery with you guys isn’t it.

              I mean we’re literally comparing the situation of the two sides of the conflict here. The question is who will last longer. And since you keep screeching that Russian economy is collapsing because of military spending, we have to put that in the context of US military spending with the US being the main military sponsor of the proxy. Let me know if you need this explained to you using smaller words.

              Further emphasising Russia’s dependence on China and vassal status.

              It’s called trade, but I guess it’s difficult for somebody living in a vassal state to understand how trade between two countries works without one being taken advantage of.

              This explains why you think the way you do. If that is where you get your information you are weeks behind and are likely unaware of Ukraine’s recent improvements in drone range and tactics that are destroying Russian logistics.

              Weird how it’s the Ukrainians that incessantly complain about Russian drones destroying their infrastructure at scale with Russia producing drones at an industrial scale while Ukraine has artisanal workshops. Again, anybody with even a couple of brain cells to bang together would understand who has the advantage here. Not to mention the destruction of most of Ukraine’s energy production which obviously affects industrial production which needs energy.

              Ukraine are the ones taking land now as Russia attempts to recruit more Kenyan mercenaries.

              Go read up what a war of attrition is so you don’t keep making a clown of yourself. This is frankly embarrassing.

              Why does the Russian regime keep on turning off the internet in Moscow?

              Why do European regimes ban Russian media and want to personally identify you all online? This doesn’t sound like something the winning side would be doing. Kid Starver seems worried…