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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/62192988

The latest changes implemented in the Systemd repo, related to or prompted by age-verification laws, have made many people unhappy (I suppose links about this aren’t necessary). This has led to a surge in Systemd forks during the last days (“surge” because there have always been plenty of forks). Here are some forks that explicitly mention those changes as their reason for forking (rough time ordering taken from the fork page):

Hopefully the energy of this reaction won’t be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.

  • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
    5618·
    2 days ago

    The reaction by definition is unproductive. I think Brodie Robertson did a good job covering this the other day.

    It’s literally an addition of an optional text field in a collection of already optional and often unfilled text fields. In a small part of the systemD suite. UserD, with no checking or enforcement. Which has value in business and corporate environments. In the form of a pull request from an external, unaffiliated coder.

    Regardless of where you stand on metas push for age-gating everything so they don’t have to. Which if you aren’t against it, you’re a fool. This is all way more reactionary and less substantive than the valid sysV vs systemD debate.

    • ryper@lemmy.caEnglish
      227·
      2 days ago

      I wonder how many people freaking out over this field have even looked at what other fields are on that user record. The realName field could be used to dox you! ICE and the CIA are interested in your location! Those fields have about the same level of enforcement as the new one, i.e. you can just lie.

      • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
        31·
        18 hours ago

        Good examples of things that shouldn’t be there.

        • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
          21·
          14 hours ago

          why not? in multi user environments the user could be in any number of office locations… tracking that information is useful

          just because it’s not useful for you doesn’t mean it’s not useful to anyone

          • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
            21·
            14 hours ago

            Race, gender, sexual preference, these are all useful to someone and yet should not be data collected. Name, sure. Birth date, no. I’m fine with an Adult Boolean.

            • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
              2·
              13 hours ago

              then perhaps you should have made the PR rather than completely overreacting about someone else’s implementation of an entirely optional, unverified text field

                • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
                  1·
                  13 hours ago

                  i’m fine with the change. why would i get involved when im involved with other FOSS efforts and much prefer systemd to every other option

    • xyro@lemmy.caEnglish
      83·
      1 day ago

      While we’re at it, we could add a race and sexual orientation field, this could have value for business in some countries!

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
    221·
    2 days ago

    Hopefully the energy of this reaction won’t be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.

    It’s traditional:

  • Matt The Horwood@lemmy.horwood.cloudEnglish
    84·
    2 days ago

    Wait wait wait, your telling me that systems has a user thing to log user data?

    Where does systemd start and end? As it looks to be way too invasive

  • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    1425·
    2 days ago

    Womp Womp.

    What did they expect would happen?

    I can only hope this ends up with the original simply being left to rot.

      • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
        3010·
        2 days ago

        Nope. No one did. It’s all drama farming and ignorant apoplectic panic. I’d absolutely be interested to know more about the person behind the merge request. Apparently they have submitted similar code to several other projects for the same purpose. But it’s just fashionable to hate on systemD right now. At least the sysV vs systemD guys have valid issues. Even though as a 30-year Linux user, I wouldn’t go back to sysV inits. I do not miss having to use poorly documented or outright undocumented tricks, tips, and arcana to write basic process watchdogs and initialization scripts.

        • Hiro8811@lemmy.worldEnglish
          64·
          2 days ago

          It’s hard enough for maintainers and devs to fight ai and governments. If you wanna go against someone go against corpos and government not people doing their hobbies.

          • quick_snail@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            21 hours ago

            When has Foss been sued by governments? I can think of only a few examples, when the software was used to mix crypto.

            I don’t see age verification being used to shut down Debian. They would just move to another country

          • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
            91·
            2 days ago

            Yes, time and effort would be infinitely better spent yelling at the local and national governments pushing for this to be implemented at the behest of meta. Than outrage of an optional text field.

      • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
        63·
        2 days ago

        We should have them add ss# too, since it’s non-privileged. What could go wrong?

        • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          That’s not a thing in like every single country. Might as well add a “Name of the Chinese primary school you graduated from” field, at least that would have more users.

          • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
            46·
            2 days ago

            Whatever you wanna call it. Let’s add that. Gender, gender between your legs, marriage status, race is also super important.

            It’s just a field… so why not?

        • death_to_carrots@feddit.orgEnglish
          64·
          2 days ago

          What could go wrong if in your system there exists a standard place where you could put some magic string?

          Remember, no one is forcing you to put the magic string in.

          • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
            9·
            2 days ago

            No one is forcing the magic string YET. But to think some governments won’t enforce that later is contrary to reality. The direction of the world is very clear…