Joseph Brandlin, who has lived in El Segundo for more than four decades, says he took matters into his own hands after months of trying to get the city officials to address safety concerns.
How about if someone just decided to remove a stop sign.
Are those 2 situations equivalent at all? I can’t think of a situation where adding a stop sign up would make the intersection more dangerous whereas the removal of one would almost certainly make it more dangerous. In your mind is the only way to regulate this to ban both for some reason?
But it’s still a great publicity stunt that has now gotten the eyes of many people, a new petition on the matter would likely gather a lot more support.
He’s not a random person, he’s a resident of the neighborhood where he made the change. City officials and this alleged traffic engineer would be considered the “random people” here as they have absolutely zero stake in any of this.
So what if it’s their job when they clearly aren’t doing it and have no connection to the neighborhood? This is a lame appeal to authority fallacy.
Some random official and random engineer checks some bad plans and paperwork and claims “stop signs and crosswalks aren’t needed” so we should just automatically defer to their decision despite the residents who actually live at and use this intersection overwhelmingly claiming the exact opposite? That’s utter nonsense.
I say alleged traffic engineer because they’re claiming they performed a traffic study at this intersection despite residents claiming to see zero evidence of this being performed, but I guess you believe job titles automatically bestow someone with unimpeachable honesty and integrity. A city official made the claim so it must be accurate and true.
I prefer selfish car drivers; they’re predictable. I’m fine with them stopping only because there’s a stop sign. When a car driver decides to be “nice” and gestures for me to go, that’s when I get concerned.
I don’t have a problem with this.
Random people don’t get to decide where stop signs go and do not go.
How about if someone just decided to remove a stop sign.
Are those 2 situations equivalent at all? I can’t think of a situation where adding a stop sign up would make the intersection more dangerous whereas the removal of one would almost certainly make it more dangerous. In your mind is the only way to regulate this to ban both for some reason?
Traffic control is a massive issue that involves numerous factors beyond “danger”.
So yes you can not have random entities making those decisions, There has to be a single governing body.
I agree, just addressing your hypothetical at the end and how that doesn’t follow logically.
Unfortunately, yes, they have to “punish” this.
But it’s still a great publicity stunt that has now gotten the eyes of many people, a new petition on the matter would likely gather a lot more support.
The cops don’t care if the stop sign wasn’t there. They’ll give you a ticket anyway.
While yes, you get out of the ticket if you prove the sign was missing at the time of the infraction.
Edit: Just don’t give them any attitude or they’ll arrest you for resisting arrest.
He’s not a random person, he’s a resident of the neighborhood where he made the change. City officials and this alleged traffic engineer would be considered the “random people” here as they have absolutely zero stake in any of this.
It’s literally their fucking job dude, what are you talking about.
Why are they an “alleged” traffic engineer? Because you don’t like what they did?
So what if it’s their job when they clearly aren’t doing it and have no connection to the neighborhood? This is a lame appeal to authority fallacy.
Some random official and random engineer checks some bad plans and paperwork and claims “stop signs and crosswalks aren’t needed” so we should just automatically defer to their decision despite the residents who actually live at and use this intersection overwhelmingly claiming the exact opposite? That’s utter nonsense.
I say alleged traffic engineer because they’re claiming they performed a traffic study at this intersection despite residents claiming to see zero evidence of this being performed, but I guess you believe job titles automatically bestow someone with unimpeachable honesty and integrity. A city official made the claim so it must be accurate and true.
car drivers would learn to be more careful and less selfish
I prefer selfish car drivers; they’re predictable. I’m fine with them stopping only because there’s a stop sign. When a car driver decides to be “nice” and gestures for me to go, that’s when I get concerned.
selfish car drivers certainly aren’t predictable as they break laws already inplace
If they’re ignoring the law, then the sign isn’t changing their behavior.
it will, cause there would be more chaos on the road and less predictability, so they would be forced to