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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 day ago

Macron Criticizes Trump and Calls on Allies to Unite Against US

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 day ago
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    Isn’t Europe’s hostility towards China not a function of US hegemony? Surely there’s less reason to be hostile now.

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      In a sane world yes, but in reality there’s a lot of racism and notions of white supremacy at play here.

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        It is more than “racism and notions of white supremacy”, EU and China are both exporting and manufacturing powers. China recently moved into exporting the high value manufacturing products like cars which are a large part of the EUs economy making both blocks rivals.

        The Chinese government is using state subsidies to tip the balance further in the favour of Chinese manufacturers. This is just one example from one industry, this pattern is repeated by China across the board. The government is well within its rights to do this but the EU is equally well within its rights to protect its own economy from a form of trade war. It is incredibly reductive to just play the racism card while ignoring the real issues.

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          EU is not really an export power in any meaningful sense. But even if that was true, you could make exact same argument with the US which directly competes with Europe on exports. Europeans have had absolutely no problem sticking their heads up American ass as far as possible.

          Meanwhile, everybody is free to run their internal economy the way they see fit. The whole premise of free markets and capitalism was efficiency. It was supposed to naturally outcompete planned economies like China. If the model isn’t actually working then Europe could acknowledge that and emulate what China is doing instead of whinging. Or accept that they have an inferior model of economic development.

          Finally, the EU very obviously doesn’t give a fuck about protecting its economy. If it did, it would’ve never allowed itself to become so dependent on energy imports from the US. The EU kept paying lip service to the idea of going green, but refused to invest into stuff like wind and solar because it came from China. Now the EU finds itself being bent over a barrel by Americans. And it’s frankly well deserved.

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      There’s the whole democracy thing.

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        In that China is one and Europe isn’t, you mean?

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        Congress at 15% approval rating is damning for democracy. FYI, 26% of Americans believes the sun revolves around the earth, and so that 15% is the functionally full tropic thundered not aware of how bad it is.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        do go on

        • https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
        • https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2021/0218/Vilified-abroad-popular-at-home-China-s-Communist-Party-at-100
        • https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree
        • https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva images/Democracy Perception Index 2023.pdf
        • https://www.tbsnews.net/world/china-more-democratic-america-say-people-98686
        • https://web.archive.org/web/20201229132410/https://en.news-front.info/2020/06/27/studies-have-shown-that-china-is-more-democratic-than-the-united-states-russia-is-nearby-and-ukraine-is-at-the-bottom/
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        Elaborate

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          Democracies tend not to fight each other, or so the theory goes.

          Authoritarian countries also usually ignore human rights. China (and Russia) constantly get called out on the human rights abuses by Europe, which irates the ruling class of China. This isn’t to say Europe is the shining beacon on the hill, they are just seen as the lesser evil.

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            Jesus Christ. Westerners really are the most brainwashed people on earth

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            With uh…minimal due derision, this isn’t a theory that holds up to scrutiny or even makes sense internally

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            The fact Europe still hasn’t broken all ties with Israel over their human rights abuses tells me their supposed democratic values are more window dressing than anything.

            Europe is led by material interests, not democratic values.

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              They/most of them have Zionist supremacist laws forbidding speech against genocide.

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              Well there is the fact that Europe isn’t one homogeneous political entity. Spain, Ireland and Norway openly went against Israel.

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                But if Germany supplies Israel and cracks down kn pro Palestine speech, can you say they’re as democratic as those other countries?

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                  Germany isn’t Spain, Norway or Ireland.

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                    Your original point is that Europe gets along with itself because of democracy. If some, like Germany, are less democratic, can you really say that?

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                    So you judge Europe only by the countries that suit you?

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            Europe is the lesser evil for whom? Certainly not the victims of European colonialism and imperialism.

            And when you look, you’ll see those former colonies are getting closer with Russia and China.

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            You realise we have democracy in China right? Just not western style liberal democracy.

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