In the US, 0.7% of the population is in prison. That’s nearly one out of every hundred citizens and the highest per capita of incarcerated citizens in the world. Higher than Russia, higher than China, higher than North Korea.
Does that include the Xinjiang internment camps, and are you really trusting the CCP’s official statistics on anything knowing how badly they lied during the first year of COVID?
I’m not saying China is great. I’m saying I’m sceptical of a country that throws it’s military power around the world whilst they simultaneously tell us who the enemy is.
Last time I checked the Chinese didn’t kill 400K+ civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan or sponsor the collective punishment of the Palestinian people.
Does your comment count as “moving the goalposts” (changing the subject from CCP to USA) or an “Appeal to Emotion” (dead civilians) or a strawman argument (USA ‘sponsors’ collective punishment)? I got a bingo card to fill out.
Their vocational facilities and re-education centers are a far better way of managing and de-radicalizing extremist groups like the ETIM than fucking bombing them, invading them, and lying about WMDs.
…separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.
We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang.
The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.
Last things first, pardon me for holding one of your sources at arms’ length and my nose with the other. They don’t sound impartial or unbiased, especially with their explicitly-stated anti-Western bias. BadEmpanada just looks like a Che wannabe and I’m not sure how much I time I should waste considering what a leftist Aussie living in BA has to say but it’s probably already too much. Buenos Aires is a beautiful city though and if you’ve never been, you should give it a go.
Going back to the top of your comment, which countries support or condemn China for their internment camps means very little to me. Many of the countries in your graphic have abysmally shitty records themselves and/or are belt-and-road clients and/or have other reasons to disagree with the US. Pardon me while I laugh heartily at anyone who takes Russia’s or Venezuela’s or Saudi Arabia’s opinions on human rights seriously. That, and your graphic is from 2019 and outdated. The list changed remarkably in 2020 and the countries of Algeria, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Kuwait, Nigeria, Oman, Philippines, Serbia, Somalia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Zambia revoked their defense of the CCP’s treatment of Uighurs. It’s left as an exercise to the reader which of those are majority-Muslim.
Aside from all that, the fact that you refer to those camps with the CCP-friendly term “vocational facilities and re-education centers” means we’re just not going to agree on this because that’s certainly not what they sound like.
The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.
“All the other totalitarian countries agree with our totalitarian county” lol
You can also literally just visit Xinjiang and see it for yourself lol, since there’s not much travel restrictions on the region anymore now that covid’s mostly over.
In the US, people vote on laws, and the laws that put so many people in prison were massively popular until we realized “oh fuck there sure are a lot of people in prison and this problem isn’t solved at all.”
I’ll take people democratically getting things wrong 100% of the time over “authoritarian regime that hasn’t come for you yet”
So yes, land of the free, and free people sometimes do dumb shit.
This is such a precious yet tortured interpretation. We can all see that you are just stitching together little bits of rhetoric until it goes where you wanted to end up. You might be right, you might be wrong, but whatever you are, it’s a total fucking coincidence.
This is a description of actual events that actually happened. Nothing in my comment is an interpretation of anything whatsoever.
If you don’t believe War on Drugs laws like the Crime Bill were popular, that’s simply because you’ve done no research. The 1994 bill now seen as “racist” had 58% support in the minority community, a trend that continued for some time.
The cool thing about democracy is people can look around and say “oh shit we fucked up.” All you have to do is change enough minds.
In the US, 0.7% of the population is in prison. That’s nearly one out of every hundred citizens and the highest per capita of incarcerated citizens in the world. Higher than Russia, higher than China, higher than North Korea.
Land of the free indeed. Propaganda works.
Does that include the Xinjiang internment camps, and are you really trusting the CCP’s official statistics on anything knowing how badly they lied during the first year of COVID?
I’m not saying China is great. I’m saying I’m sceptical of a country that throws it’s military power around the world whilst they simultaneously tell us who the enemy is.
Last time I checked the Chinese didn’t kill 400K+ civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan or sponsor the collective punishment of the Palestinian people.
Does your comment count as “moving the goalposts” (changing the subject from CCP to USA) or an “Appeal to Emotion” (dead civilians) or a strawman argument (USA ‘sponsors’ collective punishment)? I got a bingo card to fill out.
It’s whataboutism.
Is there a section about “trust issues”?
Their vocational facilities and re-education centers are a far better way of managing and de-radicalizing extremist groups like the ETIM than fucking bombing them, invading them, and lying about WMDs.
50+ mostly muslim UN states have approved of how China handled this after sending delegates and diplomats to Xinjiang:
The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.
QiaoCollective has a detailed timeline and report of Xinjiang related events.
BadEmpanada has an in-depth video essay on the topic with sources in description.
Last things first, pardon me for holding one of your sources at arms’ length and my nose with the other. They don’t sound impartial or unbiased, especially with their explicitly-stated anti-Western bias. BadEmpanada just looks like a Che wannabe and I’m not sure how much I time I should waste considering what a leftist Aussie living in BA has to say but it’s probably already too much. Buenos Aires is a beautiful city though and if you’ve never been, you should give it a go.
Going back to the top of your comment, which countries support or condemn China for their internment camps means very little to me. Many of the countries in your graphic have abysmally shitty records themselves and/or are belt-and-road clients and/or have other reasons to disagree with the US. Pardon me while I laugh heartily at anyone who takes Russia’s or Venezuela’s or Saudi Arabia’s opinions on human rights seriously. That, and your graphic is from 2019 and outdated. The list changed remarkably in 2020 and the countries of Algeria, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Kuwait, Nigeria, Oman, Philippines, Serbia, Somalia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Zambia revoked their defense of the CCP’s treatment of Uighurs. It’s left as an exercise to the reader which of those are majority-Muslim.
Aside from all that, the fact that you refer to those camps with the CCP-friendly term “vocational facilities and re-education centers” means we’re just not going to agree on this because that’s certainly not what they sound like.
Don’t spend all fifty cents in one place.
That’s why China is such good friends with all of its neighbors, amirite?
“All the other totalitarian countries agree with our totalitarian county” lol
You can also literally just visit Xinjiang and see it for yourself lol, since there’s not much travel restrictions on the region anymore now that covid’s mostly over.
There are tons of Youtube videos doing just that.
In the US, people vote on laws, and the laws that put so many people in prison were massively popular until we realized “oh fuck there sure are a lot of people in prison and this problem isn’t solved at all.”
I’ll take people democratically getting things wrong 100% of the time over “authoritarian regime that hasn’t come for you yet”
So yes, land of the free, and free people sometimes do dumb shit.
This is such a precious yet tortured interpretation. We can all see that you are just stitching together little bits of rhetoric until it goes where you wanted to end up. You might be right, you might be wrong, but whatever you are, it’s a total fucking coincidence.
This is a description of actual events that actually happened. Nothing in my comment is an interpretation of anything whatsoever.
If you don’t believe War on Drugs laws like the Crime Bill were popular, that’s simply because you’ve done no research. The 1994 bill now seen as “racist” had 58% support in the minority community, a trend that continued for some time.
The cool thing about democracy is people can look around and say “oh shit we fucked up.” All you have to do is change enough minds.
Better than getting your organs harvested
Is that better or worse than being shot because you’re a kid that went to school?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad I’m not american. But other than that, USA is very preferable over China
The amount of comically fake propaganda westerners will believe is hilarious lmao