• Doc Avid Mornington@midwest.social
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    9 months ago

    Two things can be happening. People with a legitimate moral concern, such as myself, don’t actively act against that concern by helping elect a candidate who would make that concern even worse. There are ways to express our anger and sorrow about Biden’s handling of this without supporting Trump.

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      9 months ago

      Biden is going to lose if he continues his genocidal policy in Gaza.

      People like me put pressure on the Biden admin to change course. By engaging in good faith criticism, I am trying to get Biden elected.

      People who refuse to criticize Biden enable him to continue on this losing path. Enabling the worst of the Biden administration’s policies is helping to elect Trump.

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        9 months ago

        Yes, I completely agree, so far as I can without looking up your post and comment history to confirm that you do what you are saying here you do, but taking your word for that. Good faith criticism isn’t what Pan_Ziemniak seemed to be describing.

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          9 months ago

          I left a reply to the other reply under ur comment, if ur curious to hear me elaborate on the patterns im describing. As u stated, it is not good faith criticism that im railing against. Theres not a person i know who doesnt criticize Biden, but thats not what im afraid of here.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          Good faith criticism isn’t what Pan_Ziemniak seemed to be describing.

          That’s because what he was describing is a strawman.

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            9 months ago

            Its bc what i was describing won me tons of bans on reddit post API changes, and then was the first thing I noticed here on lemmy on literally day 1 of making an account. The pushback at the moment is real, but take note how you hardly hear the world news subs talk about Ukraine being genocided, but you only hear about Gaza, even though the casualty count in Ukraine is much higher. The Gaza posting is relentless, too. Almost like its a distraction from the place that russia has described as a steppingstone multiple times now.

            Ive been furious at israel for over half my life. Even before they started gunning the strip down, they were an apartheid state cramming as many political prisoners as they could into their jail cells. Somehow tho, that went from being a fringe opinion to all u hear about overnight. Accounts link the ones i listed in another cpmment spam post anything and everything they cant to keep the eyes of the public where they need to be. Its no coincidence that this aligns perfectly with russian goals.

            Meanwhile, weve got Status Quo Joe following up on 70 years of precedent and selling arms to whats been a key middle eastern ally of the States, and everyone acts all shocked pikachu that we dont get to just shit on our worldwide softpowers and convince our remaining allies who are very wary of our continued political instability that we may just abandon them too, if only the tides swing the other way. The genocide in Gaza will not be stopped, but for the first time in my life the man in the oval office is actually dishing out criticism of israel and stood behind Schumer when he aaid israel could use new untimely elections over this.

            In the other corner, youve a man who doesnt want any more free elections in the country, rubs shoulders with dictators of countries that want nothing more than for the US to be utterly ruined, and actively campaigns on allowing not just the ongoing genocides to continue, but also genociding our own, native vulnerable groups.

            In 2016 id bring up the russian trolls/shills to some who claimed “nonsense, not here on reddit,” or the comments sections of whatever news it was they followed. And yet, we still learned after the fact that almost every account in the country had directly interacted with russian bots at some point or another. Id like to be clear, russias MO of deculturalizing and destabilizing countries has been pretty consistent for centuries now. I recommend watching that 1980s interview with the KGB defector that floated around reddit some years back. It outlines that bit pretty well.

            What i rant about is hardly a strawman. Its pushing back against narratives that seek our end.

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              9 months ago

              russias MO of deculturalizing and destabilizing countries has been pretty consistent for centuries

              i don’t think this can be substantiated, but i’d love to see you try

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                9 months ago

                Literally the comment u replied mentions a kgb defector talking about it. I recognize u too. Ur always around to pretend russian talking points dont exist on this platform.

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                  9 months ago

                  Literally the comment u replied mentions a kgb defector talking about it.

                  what evidence do you have that they were in fact a defector, they ever worked for the kgb? and, further, he only discusses soviet programs, he doesn’t go back “centuries”