Disgusting. Before you jump to “obviously, who expected being a hostage to be nice, this is sad but normal in war blah blah blah” just remember all of the despicable bullshit that Zionists say to justify the massive civilian casualties and continuous war crimes of Israel. If you sound like them you are not on the side of humanity.
Fuck Hamas and fuck every single one of them that did something like this.
Yes, thank you for reminding everyone we condemn Hamas, it’s really hard to know if the West supports terrorists or not and unfortunately I have to state that’s sarcasm. Nobody is siding with the terrorist insurgency but fuck Israel for making conditions so inhumane, so unlivable, so untenable that the only solution they can reasonably find is to fight a state fully funded by the United States. Nobody chooses to fight the US without believing they’re going to die anyway.
Israel created their own villains and I have zero fucking sympathy for them.
OK but funding terrorist groups is an absolutely standard practice of empires, on a large scale in the past few centuries. They either do it quietly, “accidentally”, or rebrand the group in their propaganda (‘fighting for liberty/against oppression’ & stuff like that). “Terrorism” just means the predominant use of terror in a fight (instead of like regular direct war horrors where you kill 100+ thousand people in a single day by carpet bombing civilian population & that destruction itself is the main goal and terror just a lesser side effect). Terrorism is chapter, less death and destruction overall too, so major empires would usually start their conquests with that & save the direct military action (or economic ownership via corporations) for later.
USA does that all the time in a very British Empire sort of way, either to fight the current government/regime/system they (economically mostly) dislike or to prolong some weird status quo. I mean, the ruling party of Israel has undeniable roots of terrorism (like literally, before joining with some other parties & a very vague rebranding since their beliefs didn’t change all that much). Same with Palestinian ruling party (but you know, they just used to live there, so under conditions like that an organisation like that sort of libration-terrorist grup is bound to emerge - and this was known throughout the formation of Israel). And both parties were democratically elected iirc.
Oh okay well if it’s standard practice we should totally allow Israel to use their existence as a scapegoat to bomb schools, hospitals, and drop them on the heads of children. We should let them transparently make safe zones for refugees and the bomb them.
The people who defend Israel cannot win the moral argument but please feel free to try. You look like fucking ghouls.
That’s horrible, it shouldn’t happen to anyone. We need more awareness and more trauma therapy, especially for children. Fortunately Israeli victims at least have a platform to be heard and sufficient resources available for treatment, but Palestinians do not. I’m not sure if there’s even a single fully functioning hospital left in Gaza, even after Israel turns back on the electricity, water, and gas. If they ever do.
James Gordon, a US psychiatrist … said recovery was possible even in severely traumatised children, but only if the outside world did not give up on them.
It’s a different article, this one from cnn, the one you linked from nytimes. Yes, they are about the same story, but it’s not a duplicate.
That’s all you’ll contribute, Linkerbaan?
No, it’s another instance.No it’s posted on world from another instance because the user is from that instance.
Ah, my bad. I thought it was posted on world@lemmy.ca
Oh, but she’s Israeli, so this is just lies, right guys? Right?
Good call. I hate dumb strawman arguments. Can’t win this argument so let’s build one I can!
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No we just don’t really give a shit because yeah, no shit a terrorist insurgency mistreated their hostages. It changes absolutely nothing. Really sucks for her, sorry it happened, hope she gets help, fuck Israel.
Hell yes this is exactly the kind of cyclical no thought violent logic we need to keep that conflict going for another hundred years!!
Oh, no you misunderstand, plenty of thought in what I said.
Israel created Hamas without a care in the world, ground Palestine to their knees, kicked them while they were down, and the moment they collected enough spit to put it in Israel’s face by making rockets out of the crumbling pipes they can’t get materials to fix, Israel went mask off. Started nothing short of a genocide with virtually no opposition. So while Hamas treating their hostages poorly is sad, it’s also expected. Want to know what caught even me off guard? Israel has killed more Israeli hostages than Hamas has.
Absolutely go fuck yourself with a soldering iron then pass the message to Israel.
Israel has killed more Israeli hostages than Hamas has.
How do you know this?
What caught me off guard was that Hamas attacked military targets (not exclusively though) and the total amount of children killed on Oct 7 (including Israeli friendly fire) was 36. Israel has destroyed 70% of Gaza’s residential areas and killed over 13,000 children. 13,000 children! It seems the label “terrorist” was applied to the wrong side, especially when you consider the current situation in Rafah. Over a million people, starving, traumatized, not knowing when the next attack is coming and completely unable to defend themselves or even find a safe place. It’s unconscionable.
How do you know [Israel has killed more of their own hostages than Hamas]?
Reports like this, of which I’m sure there’d be more if the IDF didn’t kill the reporters.
Hamas are definitely closer to insurgents but are definitely still terrorists. Yes, pushed there by justifiable reasons, but we shouldn’t become disillusioned. They’re not good guys, but they are still the result of inhumane and brutal treatment.
Israel did not create Hamas. This is a silly distillation of facts.
Their actions did and they were caught giving Hamas money. Stop lying to yourself and everyone else.
You know, I kept hearing about this a while back so I was curious and I looked it up. Turns out it never was “israel gave hamas money”. Turns out Israel was funding certain on the ground initiatives that later folded into Hamas. It’s never so black and white, is it? I strongly encourage people to read beyond the headlines of what they read online.
Fuck me, I bet you believe Israel earnestly is trying to hit Hamas bases under every hospital and school. Or maybe that all 13,000 children they’ve killed were actually Hamas leaders.
Without Hamas, they have no scapegoat to wipe out Palestine. It’s never black and white, is it?
It’s only cyclical if you think the pro Palestinian voice here supports Hamas too.
Isreal is committing genocide against the Palestinian people, for the also despicable actions of the terrorist group in charge.
And while the Palestinian people may be partially responsible for Hamas being in charge, it’s far more complicated than that, as foreign powers including Isreal itself had a large part of putting Hamas in power and keeping them there. And Isreal is definitely responsible for a lifetime of oppression that breeds support for extremism.
No this sexual assault story definitely proves it after all the other ones were debunked. We have no incentive to believe israel consistently lies about these stories to manufacture consent for Genocide.
So convenient to bring it up 120 days after her release after the last batch of israeli rape accusations started to die down. Now they can start screaming for Hamas rape again while starving Gaza.
If only israel didn’t weaponize false rape accusations to manufacture consent for Genocide fifty times this would be a lot easier to believe.
TIL you should be over being raped and kidnapped after 4 months.
Not changing the story to gradually worsen every month sure helps credibilty.
This woman did not say she was raped btw.
that article doesn’t claim she was raped
Sexually assaulted under gunpoint vs raped is splitting hairs, imo.
Not a woman myself but I think there’s a difference between getting groped and what most people would think of with the term ‘raped’
you should be able to provide a credible story.
