• CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    I mean, even before you get as far as the opinion of the homeless, most churches aren’t going to want to host two high-needs, possibly substance-addicted people from the big city in their atrium (“think of the children!”), which is the point of this.

    It’s a situation that absolutely has a quick fix, just not a super cheap quick fix. It’s far easier to not formally address it, and leave the cost on them and whoever happens to be around them. There’s more than enough resources out to fix it if there was the political will.

    • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      9 months ago

      Also there is a cheap quick fix, because there is adequate empty housing. Landlords just refuse to rent it. The people just need to confiscate unused housing after x (x being an appropriate number for the area) days not being a primary residence.

      Not the government. The people. And if the resident leaves/dies, that housing goes to someone new. The landlord never gets it back. That’s important; they need to be afraid, but have an easy out (just put somebody in there, lower rent, etc)

      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        9 months ago

        I mean, taxing away houses and then giving them back to the homeless still counts as an expenditure. You’re probably going to want to give them each a nurse and a meal plan as well, if you want them to stick around, because as mentioned these people often have persistent issues.

        Not the government. The people.

        The people have never done shit. Not once in history.

        • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          9 months ago

          Taxing is the government. They work for the owners, not the people dying on the street. Governments are all, at this moment in the supreme court, advocating for the right to criminalize sleeping outside even when there’s literally no other legal option.

              • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                9 months ago

                What have you been reading? Pretty much the only place where the people magically, spontaneously organise is in political speeches. The Patriots wouldn’t have existed without guys like Jefferson, the French revolution was run by rogue military factions and exclusive political clubs, and the Leninists have it right in their name.

                • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  9 months ago

                  Oh. Shit magical and spontaneous? So there’s nothing other than a master with a whip and a fucking wizard?

                  Its not what i favor, or what im proposing, but spontaneous organization does happen. Youve never been in a disaster, or started digging a hole at the beach, have you?

                  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    9 months ago

                    So there’s nothing other than a master with a whip and a fucking wizard?

                    Kind of, yeah. The way I see it it’s a human limitation; we need a certain level of indirection to pull off anything bigger than a band of hunter-gatherers. Some systems are more whippy than others, though.

                    Youve never been in a disaster, or started digging a hole at the beach, have you?

                    Actually, yes I have, but never have I seen more than a handful of people get involved at once, and I never heard from that dude who started directing traffic again. I’ve also seen the bystander effect. Never in history. Maybe on the beach, but not in history.

                    You’ve never tried to organise any kind of activism, have you?

    • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      9 months ago

      The second shittiest roommate I ever had was a loud evangelical.

      I was at the time actively the closest thing she would ever meet to a particular famous dude who died on the thing she worshipped, who she claimed to care about.

      When she started fucking with my shit while I was out, I just made a bunch of copies of the house key and handed them out, so I’d have people to watch my door for me. Started cooking big dinners. She couldn’t actually say anything.

      The trick is; don’t Fucking ask. Point out that sleeping in the park sucks and will get you killed by police, but meetings in the park are genuinely pleasant (unless climate change is real). They might shoot you, but they won’t be able to argue.

      • parachute@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        9 months ago

        Apologies I didn’t understand what this means, did you hand out keys so your friends would randomly be over and she would be afraid of getting caught?

        • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          9 months ago

          Friends? A couple, I hope I can call friends, but the rest just went to anyone unhoused who wanted a warm place to sleep/hang and a hot meal.

            • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              5
              ·
              edit-2
              9 months ago

              Why? Worked out fine. Did get some meth smell in the drapes, but the guy smoking it was chill. I was a known quantity and nobody wanted to hurt me. Nobody took advantage of any vulnerabilities because everyone involved was providing for each other slightly better than the law allowed (the food was all stolen high end stuff).

              And? Asshole roommate calmed right the fuck down.

              • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                9 months ago

                Glad it worked out for you! That’s a hell of a way to mess with a roommate, is probably what OP means.

                • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  Thing is; I’d probably do that now if I lived alone, for a few hours a night, at least. I feel like people got something out of it.