• M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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          5 months ago

          Where are your primary sources?

          Does that also mean you don’t understand what they are?

          See this does not work the way you think it does.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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            5 months ago

            I’m not the one making the claim. I’m saying that I have not seen any official Russian statement to this effect. However, if you have a source for one then please show it.

            See this does not work the way you think it does.

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              5 months ago

              They did and some of us watched it live (we are told) on russian state TV in 2022,2023 and just last month. Please provide primary sources that contradict what I witnessed.

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                  5 months ago

                  Wrong person, you want @sweng@programming.dev

                  But yes, if you want to have a official statement watch the victory day parade speech putin made.

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                    5 months ago

                    Again, feel free to link to the part of the parade where Putin says what you two are claiming he said. Should be really easy to do since it’s publicly available.

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              You are the one claiming the given sources are incorrect. You are the one making a claim, and you are the one the burden of proof falls on.

              You are really hurting the Russian case here. They do their best to act all tough and intimidating, and here all you come with is crying about not liking the provided sources. You’re making them look even worse then they already do.

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                  5 months ago

                  Yes, and then what? Are you somehow suggesting that only primary sources can be used as sources? I’ve never heard anyine take that position before.

                  Of course, one can challenge sources (of any type) but that does usully require some type of argument for why the source is incorrect, and not just because you don’t like it.

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                    Oh its so much funnier then that, They then provide non primary sources while demanding everyone else “Proves” them wrong only with primary sources. This is a joke at this point.

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                    5 months ago

                    I’m suggesting that when you say Russian red lines have been crossed without consequences, you need to provide primary sources from Russia regarding what Russian red lines are. I see this is a very difficult concept for you to grasp.

                    Of course, one can challenge sources (of any type) but that does usully require some type of argument for why the source is incorrect, and not just because you don’t like it.

                    The source is incorrect because the red lines claimed in the source haven’t actually been articulated by Russia, and none of the links in your source actually trace back to statements from Russia. So, claiming Russian red lines have been crossed when there is zero actual evidence these were Russian red lines is nonsensical.