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naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca to World News@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago

China's commercial 'artificial sun' achieves first discharge

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China's commercial 'artificial sun' achieves first discharge

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naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca to World News@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago
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    To the best of my knowledge, this is the first commercially-funded (i.e., non-government) nuclear fusion reactor. Notable investors are MiHoYo (developers of Genshin Impact), Nio (Chinese EV company), and Sequoia Capital…

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      It is not the first commercially funded fusion reactor even assuming this qualified.

      https://www.energystartups.org/top/fusion-energy/

      Not hard to find a bunch.

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      No??

      I’ve supported engineering at several privately funded nuclear fusion companies, though all of them, this Chinese company included, are building a product out of public school research.

      Off the top of my head there’s:

      • CFS
      • TAE technologies
      • Thea
      • Zap Energy

      And several more…

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        Building, or built? Either way, maybe these companies will come out with a better design than Tokamak, but until then they’re literally just research ventures because the vast majority of investment at actually scaling fusion is happening for Tokamak tractors.

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          Built, physically operational reactors that operate as close to Q=1 as they can, with all the diagnostics included.

          The diagnostics are very important, as plasma instabilities have been, and continue to be, the critical issue preventing anything useful coming out of our decades of fusion reactor design. All these companies are sharing data on overcoming plasma instability issues, with multiple geometries aimed at evaluating how plasma responds to different inputs in different environments. We’re all trying to understand how to control and compress something far too hot to physically touch.

          @naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca scaling fusion isn’t a trivial problem, and saying it like it is indicates a lack of background knowledge. This isn’t a competition between companies (no matter what our CEOs suggest), as we in industry quietly all agree that any of us that cracks this unchains humanity from the solar system. Because government funding has unfortunately sucked so much ass, we’re sort of using private money to get the basic research done. We’d be so much farther ahead otherwise.

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      In your guys opinion, is that good or bad? Privately funded would mean proprietary & profit driven implementation for such a crucial technology (if successful). I personally don’t like it.

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        I don’t mind profit driven because I’m confident that free markets are good for everybody.

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        The CPC still maintains a lot of influence over companies even when they’re getting their funding from private industry as part of their “politics in command” strategy for controlling market forces. We’ll see how it plays out.

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          Yep, if they need to disappear a CEO, no matter how big, they can and have done so in the past.

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            i don’t know why you got a downvote, disappearinga CEO should be the most popular thing the ccp does

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            Won’t somebody think of the CEOs!

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        Any path that takes us to unlimited clean energy is the right one IMO. We could always do a little espionage and make our own domestic fusion drive eventually.

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      It’s the CCP. You can’t have a non government funded company.

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        Your claim is that MiHoYo, a gaming company responsible for Genshin Impact, is a government funded company?

        Okay then.

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          You think a company producing weeb games can’t do this at the behest of a totalitarian government?

          Okay then

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            Hey, please avoiding words like totalitarian and authoritarian. They’re often used to make a false equivalence between fascist and socialist projects.

            Horseshoe theory is ultimately rooted in holocaust trivialization.

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            Considering China can barely control their domestic EV industry from initiating a price war so aggressive they’ve effectively commoditized EVs… Yes?

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            ToTaLiTariAn 🤡

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          https://www.world-today-news.com/mihoyo-officially-joins-the-chinese-communist-party-how-does-it-affect-genshin-impact-and-other-games/

          https://thediplomat.com/2023/02/genshin-impact-and-chinese-nationalism/

          https://mihoyo.fandom.com/wiki/MiHoYo_Committee_Party_Member_Assembly

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            From the wiki editor’s note in the last link:

            “In a company, an organization of the Communist Party of China shall be established to carry out the activities of the Party in accordance with the charter of the Communist Party of China. The company shall provide the necessary conditions for the activities of the Party organization.”

            Sounds like something all companies must comply in China.

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          $147000 is a lot of money to grant to three college kids with zero proven business record.

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            What exactly do you think a startup is?

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            https://www.ycombinator.com/deal

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          Lmfao enjoy your Chinese spyware.

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          Have you been living under a rock? How do you think China works

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            You are blowing minds right now.

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          Yes.

          Also, they’re very obviously, as you have just pointed out, not just a gaming company.

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            sigh

            Do you also think Nvidia is a government-funded company? Google? Pfizer? Your standard for government-funding makes literally zero sense.

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              I guess they do get bailed out a lot. Though, it’s not like Epic Games over here is making fusion reactors.

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                That’s from a lack of vision rather than anything else. Google is IIRC

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              No, but Chinese companies very much are

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            MiHoYo… Isn’t a gaming company? How do they make their money? Jesus Christ this is some tin foil hat conspiracy shit

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              Well, they’re funding a fusion reactor. I think that’s very solidly outside of making videogames.

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                It’s to fight the honkai when they start appearing in our universe. (Jokes aside, a company that needs to run a lot of servers would be interested in cheap energy.)

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                Google funds Calico, which studies aging. Thus, Google is an anti-aging company.

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                  If you’re trying to make the argument that google isn’t just a search engine, then I fully agree.

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