Both are genocidal, letting the DNC get away with genocide solidifies their position. That’s the logic, that the DNC can get away with literal genocide as long as they aren’t the GOP, and in the eyes of Liberals, that’s correct.
The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but right now we have to operate within it. The mathematics of that system entail the simple fact that if you discourage people from keeping Trump out, you are helping get Trump in. That makes you a Trump supporter.
The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but right now we have to operate within it
Only if you think voting is the extent of political action.
The mathematics of that system entail the simple fact that if you discourage people from keeping Trump out, you are helping get Trump in
And if you encourage getting Harris in, you are helping Harris get in, who has promised imperalism, genocide, World War 3, and failed Climate action.
That makes you a Trump supporter.
In 20 years you’ll look back at yourself, if leftists have managed to prevent the end of the world, as someone who supported a fascist regime and refused to lift a finger against it. I hope you’ll come to your senses much sooner than that.
You have the option of shutting up. Instead, you choose to discourage others from effectively opposing Trump. That makes you an activist for Trump. Your excuses don’t matter. What matters is whether you’re helping get Trump elected, which you are.
It’s not that they are identical, it’s that delineating between the Hitlerites and the Strasserites just isn’t very meaningful compared to the understanding that they are wings of the same monstrous entity that needs to be destroyed. You don’t even need to Obamas embracing Bush and saying “same values” to see that, but seeing that makes denial inexcusable.
The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but
The hand-wringing isn’t the worst part, but it’s definitely the most annoying. “Don’t worry, I’m disavowing Harris while I vote for her in my non-swing-state, so it doesn’t count even as she uses those votes to claim legitimacy just like Biden did”.
You’ve tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It’s simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.
If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.
If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.
You’ve tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It’s simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.
I have not. Things will not get worse for Gaza under Trump or Harris, they are fully aligned. Pretending it’s good for Palestinians to be murdered because the bombs are sent by a Dem is monstrous.
Plus, I advocate voting, just for PSL or the Greens, anti-genocide parties.
If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.
Dems are far-right as well, lmao. If you want left views represented, vote for left parties.
If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.
Parties pick policies based on donors, not on the public’s opinion.
Well, you go ahead and continue to push the democrats right then. I can’t convince you. The outcome of the election will definitely convince the democrats. And I can tell you they will listen to the republican voters before they log on to lemmy.ml because there’s so many more of them and they actually vote in a way that affects the outcome.
And I can tell you you will continue to support the increasingly right wing Democrats, and in 20 years, if Leftists save the world, you’ll look back on your right-wing support with disgust.
If they move right, you’ll still support that until the end of the world. You would vote for Hitler if Hitler+ was the opponent, instead of lifting a finger against the system.
Both are genocidal, letting the DNC get away with genocide solidifies their position. That’s the logic, that the DNC can get away with literal genocide as long as they aren’t the GOP, and in the eyes of Liberals, that’s correct.
You’re currently a Trump supporter. If you don’t want to be one, you can stop.
You’re currently a genocidal pig supporter. If you don’t want to be one, you can stop.
Everyone who is not with us, is against us. Traditional (lack of) logic of fanatics.
Nah, fuck Trump. The only way I could be seen as a Trump supporter is if you think voting for genocide should be the default.
You’re currently batting for genocide, imperialism, climate collapse, and World War 3, but you can stop.
The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but right now we have to operate within it. The mathematics of that system entail the simple fact that if you discourage people from keeping Trump out, you are helping get Trump in. That makes you a Trump supporter.
Only if you think voting is the extent of political action.
And if you encourage getting Harris in, you are helping Harris get in, who has promised imperalism, genocide, World War 3, and failed Climate action.
In 20 years you’ll look back at yourself, if leftists have managed to prevent the end of the world, as someone who supported a fascist regime and refused to lift a finger against it. I hope you’ll come to your senses much sooner than that.
You have the option of shutting up. Instead, you choose to discourage others from effectively opposing Trump. That makes you an activist for Trump. Your excuses don’t matter. What matters is whether you’re helping get Trump elected, which you are.
It’s not that they are identical, it’s that delineating between the Hitlerites and the Strasserites just isn’t very meaningful compared to the understanding that they are wings of the same monstrous entity that needs to be destroyed. You don’t even need to Obamas embracing Bush and saying “same values” to see that, but seeing that makes denial inexcusable.
I am taking the moral route and telling you to abandon the genocidal empire, both parties are monstrous and we either need to vote them out or revolt.
Yet Obama did nothing to hold Bush Jr and his administration accountable for their crimes
“we tortured some folks” what? That doesn’t qualify as holding accountable? /s because it’s sadly needed.
Lemmy.ml mods go through arguments removing the ones that are too critical of leftwing voter suppression.
The hand-wringing isn’t the worst part, but it’s definitely the most annoying. “Don’t worry, I’m disavowing Harris while I vote for her in my non-swing-state, so it doesn’t count even as she uses those votes to claim legitimacy just like Biden did”.
You seem to think that letting the more genocidal republicans win would encourage the democrats to be less genocidal, which is bizarre.
They move right when they lose to compete with the republicans because the republicans win with a right wing strategy.
If the democrats won all the time, the republicans would have to move left just to regain power, and the Overton window would move left.
Not voting for the democrats in order to move them left is insanity. They will respond by copying the more successful electoral strategy.
They are the same. They both support Israel undyingly, Biden is even sending in the troops.
They move right because that’s what their donors want.
No, they wouldn’t. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, both parties are always moving rightward.
If the Democrats don’t want to regain left votes then they are too far gone and we need a revolution.
You’ve tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It’s simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.
If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.
If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.
I have not. Things will not get worse for Gaza under Trump or Harris, they are fully aligned. Pretending it’s good for Palestinians to be murdered because the bombs are sent by a Dem is monstrous.
Plus, I advocate voting, just for PSL or the Greens, anti-genocide parties.
Dems are far-right as well, lmao. If you want left views represented, vote for left parties.
Parties pick policies based on donors, not on the public’s opinion.
Well, you go ahead and continue to push the democrats right then. I can’t convince you. The outcome of the election will definitely convince the democrats. And I can tell you they will listen to the republican voters before they log on to lemmy.ml because there’s so many more of them and they actually vote in a way that affects the outcome.
And I can tell you you will continue to support the increasingly right wing Democrats, and in 20 years, if Leftists save the world, you’ll look back on your right-wing support with disgust.
They move right when they lose. So that they can win again.
If they move right, you’ll still support that until the end of the world. You would vote for Hitler if Hitler+ was the opponent, instead of lifting a finger against the system.