Even as someone who tends to play along with bans, this seems like a weird concept. I’m referring to those moments you walk into a club or a service one day and the people in charge say something along the lines of “you’re banned from our establishment because we learned you’re an artist that deals with controversial subject matter” or “we banned you because we heard that was you who engaged in those reckless activities that sent that one person to need care”.
We barely are able to enforce the Hague convention, so it makes me wonder what the mindset is when people try to take this on, as outside your jurisdiction, something could potentially be of any kind of context, as rules, etiquette, and protocol can differ enough between clubs and services that it’s almost as if the laws of physics can sometimes seem to differ.
One day, I witnessed a conversation between some rule enforcers and someone I know, and the suspicious rule enforcers asked why the individual so often likes to remain as low a profile as possible, and the individual responded “if I was as open about myself to everyone as everyone else is with each other, the amount of restrictions I’d have would quintuple due to the sheer amount of people who have grown a habit of hating me for no ethical reason whatsoever”, which also drags the issue of openness into the conversation.
Or… or maybe I’m wrong and/or am missing something. What’s your opinion on this practice? And what stands out to you as the last or most notable time this happened?
“Jurisdiction” is a legal concept and the way you’re using it makes no sense unless you’re referring to restraining orders or trespassing warnings being issued by courts/police from different towns or states.
I’m assuming you’re talking about private establishments that have the legal right to refuse service to anyone for almost any reason (exceptions being if doing so is discrimination against a protected class).
If so, then here’s my opinion: If you own or manage a shop, bar, club, gym, etc., it’s reasonable to ban someone because they aren’t the sort of person you want in your establishment. Maybe they make you or your other customers uncomfortable. Maybe they don’t want their place to get a reputation for being where Bad Egg Craig, whose antics sent some folks to the ER, hangs out. Maybe they share ban lists with the owners of other establishments, either because they’re friends or for purely business reasons (if your actions have cost the owner of one establishment money, it’s more likely you’ll do the same elsewhere), the same way insurance companies protect their interests by raising premiums.
What does the Hague Convention have to do with anything? Unless it’s being enforced by the same people it’s completely irrelevant.
Which one of your .ml buddies got banned from a community or instance, why did it inspire you to post such a contrived “question” in this community, and how clever did you convince yourself that your little pet hypothetical was when you hit “send?”
It wasn’t one of the ml buddies that got banned (I don’t even have any), the instances of people banning each other that inspired me to make this did so because I wanted to know the borders of what people considered overreach when it came to ethically justified bans, and me inquiring something shouldn’t be any issue either way.
Ever ask if maybe you and maybe others are being a tad toxic? Funny how I’ve been experiencing this ever since standing up for someone from another instance (completely unrelated here) as if there’s something more going on. If you don’t understand/like something, talk it over or leave.
Moderation is a volunteer activity that requires dealing with the public. I’m willing to give them wide leeway on how they want to moderate their own communities.
I assume you allow everyone into your home, no questions asked? Maybe you do, but frankly most people at least vet their guests through a combination of social connections and history, and rarely is a place “entirely open” or “entirely closed”. Being excluded from a place because the gatekeepers of that place prefer the company of someone else who doesn’t like you is perfectly normal and ultimately they have to make a choice between you being at an event or their closer friend.
This isn’t to say I agree with every banning or exclusion, but it’s perfectly normal behaviour.