• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      Seems to me that you’re the one justifying genocide of people of Donbas by the fascists that took power in a violent coup backed by the west. Even western media reported on the far right problem in Ukraine and the ethnic cleansing in Donbas before the war started.

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        2 months ago

        @yogthos @theunknownmuncher Well we are two weeks away from an Presidential election here in the US, going to be interesting to see where that goes. If Kamaltoe, er, Kamala gets it then probably we won’t even be able to discuss it anymore.

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          2 months ago

          My expectation is that Ukraine is going to be dumped after the election regardless of who wins. The whole gig has run its course at this point, and there’s a new war with Iran being drummed up already.

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            @yogthos Trumps past record suggests not. The real question is what the outcome will be. I do expect if he is elected, we will see negotiated outcomes.

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              I think the events on the ground will be what dictates things ultimately. Russia is wining the war, and even western media is starting to grudgingly admit it. The west is basically tapped out in terms of material support, and Ukraine is running out of manpower to keep the war going. Eventually, it’s either gonna be NATO boots on the ground or Russia dictating terms. And the former almost certainly means a nuclear holocaust.

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        ALL conflicts involve at least two sides

        Okay then, so describe the 2 sides and the punishments they deserved during the Nazi Germany invasion of Poland/Europe and the holocaust. I hate to bring Nazis into it as an argument, but you did say “ALL” and it easily shows how ridiculous that take is.

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          Nazi germany came into being a thing because post great war was massively hard on germans in large part to the treaty of versailles completely crippling germany’s economy.

          ofc there were other factors like the massive propaganda machine, Germany was effectively reduced to a slave state dealt a massive blow to the pride of the german populace which was fairly easy to turn young men militant alone, even disregarding the disastrous effects to the German economy.

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            @drwankingstein @theunknownmuncher That being the case why did Rockefeller fund BOTH sides of the conflict? It’s true it had bad effects on the economy but it wasn’t the only thing that had bad effects on the economy, you need to go back about 800 years to get to the roots of that.